Our Guy Flynn

[Smitty-48]

Neocons were a small cabal that simply got their message to the masses.

They weren't a small cabal, they were Empire of Liberty National Security Hawk Reagan Democrats, that's like three quarters of the American population.

Americans pointing fingers at the "Neocons!" is just typical American bullshit; blaming leviathan, Americans are Neocons, it's Neocon Nation, and nobody ever had to force it on them, they lapped it up, they still lap it up, as if Trump is not a Neocon, I mean, please, get real, Trump is an archetypal Neocon, an OG Reagan Democrat if there ever was one.

The vast majority of Americans claiming not to be Neocons, are totally full of shit, including most of the Neocons around here.

[TheReal_ND]

[clubgop]

Neocons were a small cabal that simply got their message to the masses.

They weren't a small cabal, they were Empire of Liberty National Security Hawk Reagan Democrats, that's like three quarters of the American population.

Americans pointing fingers at the "Neocons!" is just typical American bullshit; blaming leviathan, Americans are Neocons, it's Neocon Nation, and nobody ever had to force it on them, they lapped it up, they still lap it up, as if Trump is not a Neocon, I mean, please, get real, Trump is an archetypal Neocon, an OG Reagan Democrat if there ever was one.

The vast majority of Americans claiming not to be Neocons, are totally full of shit, including most of the Neocons around here.

I think it is somewhere in between not a vast majority, certainly not a small cabal. Many maybe neocon but they are and were not PNAC Neocon.

[TheReal_ND]

[Calculus Man]

To be quite honest, President Trump could get me to jump on the neocon bandwagon.

Imagine an Iraq War, but instead of leaving afterward, we give all the oilfields to Exxon-Mobil in exchange for a grant of XOM stock to every American.

I don't necessarily want wars, but since it seems like we're going to have them regardless, that's how I want them run.

Socialize the profiteering, and war will be popular again.

[Smitty-48]

I think it is somewhere in between not a vast majority, certainly not a small cabal. Many maybe neocon but they are and were not PNAC Neocon.

Whoever said Neoconservatives were monolithic? Empire of Liberty National Security Hawk Reagan Democrats covers a very wide spectrum of the polity, but none the less, all sharing the same fundamentally Neoconservative ideology at its core.

George W. Bush is a Neocon and so is Ronald W. Reagan, even though they had very different Presidencies, to wit, George W. Bush invaded the world, while Ronald W. Reagan only invaded Grenada.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

To be quite honest, President Trump could get me to jump on the neocon bandwagon.

Imagine an Iraq War, but instead of leaving afterward, we give all the oilfields to Exxon-Mobil in exchange for a grant of XOM stock to every American.

I don't necessarily want wars, but since it seems like we're going to have them regardless, that's how I want them run.

Socialize the profiteering, and war will be popular again.

Hmmmmm... socializing the spoils gathered by your war machine for the benefit of the nation... I feel like I've seen that movie, and it was kind of grim.

[Speaker to Animals]

To be quite honest, President Trump could get me to jump on the neocon bandwagon.

Imagine an Iraq War, but instead of leaving afterward, we give all the oilfields to Exxon-Mobil in exchange for a grant of XOM stock to every American.

I don't necessarily want wars, but since it seems like we're going to have them regardless, that's how I want them run.

Socialize the profiteering, and war will be popular again.

So Roman Empire 2.0?

I don't think we have the stomach to exterminate entire populations of people yet.

[Smitty-48]

The Romans did not exterminate entire peoples, what the Romans did, was absorb entire peoples into their empire, the essence of the Roman Empire, is not extermination, but rather integration, the Romans didn't say "kill everybody", what the Romans said was "make everybody Roman"

The Romans went to North Africa, they made everybody there a Roman, the Romans went to Iberia, they made everybody there a Roman, the Romans went to Britain, made it Romans, the Romans went the Middle East, same same, more Romans, everywhere the Romans conquered, they turned it into Rome and made almost everyone therein into Roman citizens.

Roman Empire; a franchise, anybody could be a Roman, and at the peak, almost everybody was.

[Speaker to Animals]

The Romans did not exterminate entire peoples, what the Romans did, was absorb entire peoples into their empire, the essence of the Roman Empire, is not extermination, but rather integration, the Romans didn't say "kill everybody", what the Romans said was "make everybody Roman"

LOL

They most certainly did exterminate entire populations.

Julius Caesar alone exterminated at least two entire groups of people that I know of: Tencteri and Usipetes.

They exterminated the last of the Phoenicians at Carthage. They literally murdered every last man, woman, and child. Then they disassembled the city brick-by-brick, and salted the fields.

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And that photo of Bibi above reminds me that they murdered almost as many Jews (in real numbers) as the Germans did, in the Roman-Jewish wars. Eventually they killed off as many of the Jews as they could, completely removed the Temple from the face of the Earth, and scattered the survivors to the wind.

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They exterminated the city-state of Corinth from the face of the Earth as well.