THE ERA OF TRUMP

[StCapps]

I disagree, I'm seeing a pattern forming, he needs to break out of this paradigm and regain the initiative, because Sean Spicer said a ton of stuff today, and much of it was quite sensible, but all the media is running, is the part where he got baited into defending his assertions about crowd size at the inaugural, and in that specific part of the press conference, he looked really weak and waffly, and then that's all they ran with, everything else he said, was supressed, they didn't report on anything except the derp. The media won this round easily, they can't keep walking into these punches and not take damage as they go.

Sean Spicer kicked ass today. He even deflected from his obvious lie yesterday quite well. He handed the media their asses, the whole time. He stepped his game up something fierce. Trump has the initiative he wants to counterpunch and the media is letting him because they falsely believe they can win such a fight. They got killed today. Jim Acosta especially.

What press conference did you watch? Spicer's spin is better than the media's by a mile, they got hosed. Utterly destroyed in every facet, the lies they come up with people are already primed to disbelieve. It was a rout for Team Trump.

[Smitty-48]

I disagree, I'm seeing a pattern forming, he needs to break out of this paradigm and regain the initiative, because Sean Spicer said a ton of stuff today, and much of it was quite sensible, but all the media is running, is the part where he got baited into defending his assertions about crowd size at the inaugural, and in that specific part of the press conference, he looked really weak and waffly, and then that's all they ran with, everything else he said, was supressed, they didn't report on anything except the derp. The media won this round easily, they can't keep walking into these punches and not take damage as they go.

Sean Spicer kicked ass today. He even deflected from his obvious lie yesterday quite well. He handed the media their asses, the whole time. He stepped his game up something fierce. Trump has the initiative he wants to counterpunch and the media is letting him because the falsely believe they can win such a fight. They got killed today.

What press conference did you watch? Spicer's spin is better than the media's by a mile, they got hosed.

None of that is what the media is running with, all they are running with, was the part where he had to backpedal and waffle about his claims about crowd sizes, he walked right into that, and then they just ran with it, the press conference is not being replayed over and over, just that tiny little snippet is.

[StCapps]

None of that is what the media is running with, all they are running with, was the part where he had to backpedal and waffle about his claims about crowd sizes, he walked right into that, and then they just ran with it, the press conference is not being replayed over and over, just that tiny little snippet is.

That isn't enough to counter the ass kicking they otherwise received. The other side is running with a better narrative, they lost big. They can't control the story like they used to, Trump can go over their heads and is doing so. The electorate trusts Spicer more on this topic than the media and they like his story better, that's a media fail. Their spin isn't effective on this one, not at all. Spicer sprang the trap, not the media.

I honestly thought the media would score more points against Spicer, but he just blew them out of the water today and nearly shut them out. Impressive stuff.

[Okeefenokee]

I'm not aware of any turn around in the media's reputation. As long as it's still in decline, they're only hurting themselves. The people who are cool with them lying are already anti-Trump. It's the people who are tired of seeing their media flat out lie to them that are going to jump ship, or jump in the water and be neutral if nothing else.

[Smitty-48]

There's no unified "people" here, you're talking a 50/50 split, with a tiny cohort in play, and I don't think that cohort in play is particularly loyal to Trump, nor even really likes him for that matter, all they care about is the beef, I don't think he moves the ball down the field with them, bashing the media, that plays well to his base, but to the swing vote, I don't think they buy it, I think they are more with the media than you assert, they are the people who rejected Clinton, but I don't that means they signed to join Team Pepe the Frog.

[StCapps]

If Spicer can keep this up, Trump definitely picked the right Press Secretary. Small sample size sure, but a better start you couldn't ask for, given the terrain he's dealing with. The electorate is more Team Pepe than Team Media. No one is on the media's side except Demohacks. All the swing voters despise the media. Team Pepe's approval rating is much higher than mainstream media's, it's not even close.

[Smitty-48]

I don't think he's gonna last on this pace, he's gonna soak up too much radiation too quickly going at it hammer and tong with his own press corps, he needs to get them onside, going to war with the media is Kobayashi Maru over the long term, its not like they are going away, you can never really score a decisive win against, the only way to win with the media, is to convert them to your side.

[StCapps]

I don't think he's gonna last on this pace, he's gonna soak up too much radiation too quickly going at it hammer and tong with his own press corps, he needs to get them onside, going to war with the media is Kobayashi Maru over the long term, its not like they are going away, you can never really score a decisive win against, the only way to win with the media, is to convert them to your side.

He can't get the media onside until the economy comes roaring back, anything short of that and he's Nuclear Hitler. They picked their side, trying to woo them is completely pointless, and will bear zero fruit until economy is booming. Focus on the economy and fighting the media's bullshit and the media will eventually fall in line when their hand is forced. Trying to convert them now makes no sense, that's putting the cart before the horse, Trump needs to score points before attempting any media wooing.

[Smitty-48]

I don't think he's gonna last on this pace, he's gonna soak up too much radiation too quickly going at it hammer and tong with his own press corps, he needs to get them onside, going to war with the media is Kobayashi Maru over the long term, its not like they are going away, you can never really score a decisive win against, the only way to win with the media, is to convert them to your side.

He can't get the media onside until the economy comes roaring back, anything short of that and he's Nuclear Hitler. They picked their side, trying to woo them is completely pointless, and will bear zero fruit until economy is booming. Focus on the economy and fighting the media's bullshit and the media will follow eventually when their hand is forced, trying to convert them now makes no sense.

I think that's too pessimistic, the media are hacks, but they are also whores to power, you just have to stroke them and dole out the access carrots, Ronald Reagan quickly had the MSM eating out of the palm of his hand, long before Morning in America was in effect, by the time Morning in America was in effect, the MSM had been totally supine to the Reagan Administration for quite some time.

[StCapps]

I think that's too pessimistic, the media are hacks, but they are also whores to power, you just have to stroke them and dole out the access carrots, Ronald Reagan quickly had the MSM eating out of the palm of his hand, long before Morning in America was in effect, by the time Morning in America was in effect, the MSM had been totally supine to the Reagan Administration for quite some time.

Yeah well the mainstream media didn't dig their heels in as hard on Reagan, so it was much easier to back peddle. The media is heavily pot committed to use a poker term, and they don't want to just fold just yet, they want to try and save some face and wait for Trump to actually delivers before they fold and they are hoping that he'll cave to their bluff first. But they are letting their emotional investment in the pot cloud their judgement and thus it will take longer for them to clear their heads with Trump than Reagan. In the end Trump will end up with even more of the media's chips than Reagan if he delivers, by exploiting that emotional investment in a pot they already lost if they don't get bailed out on the turn or river. Trump has the better hand and the media is bluffing with few outs in the deck.