THE ERA OF TRUMP

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by StCapps » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:38 pm

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Smitty-48 wrote:A Trump Pacific Partnership seems a likely scenario indeed.
The most likely of the three scenarios by my estimation.
They just don't have the time to negotiate eleven seperate bilateral agreements, that could become his Obamacare moment, where he blows the majority fiddling around in a quagmire, and then loses the conch to the Democrats before he can effect the rest of his agenda.

He's really only got 24 months here, to put some serious points up on the board, clock is tickin'
I think he intends on scoring quickly, the question is can he execute? The defense looks in disarray to me, the opportunity is there, he just has to capitalize.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by C-Mag » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:43 pm

If anyone is wondering what Trump was up to on his first Monday on the job, here ya go.

Trump Administration Day 4

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:46 pm

StCapps wrote:
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StCapps wrote:The most likely of the three scenarios by my estimation.
They just don't have the time to negotiate eleven seperate bilateral agreements, that could become his Obamacare moment, where he blows the majority fiddling around in a quagmire, and then loses the conch to the Democrats before he can effect the rest of his agenda.

He's really only got 24 months here, to put some serious points up on the board, clock is tickin'
I think he intends on scoring quickly, the question is can he execute? The defense looks in disarray to me, the opportunity is there, he just has to capitalize.
Yeah, I'm getting less bullish by the day now, he seems to be getting derailed already, you can call the media dishonest, you can call them biased, you can call them partisan hacks, but there's no doubt that they have the power to derail you, if you can't change up the narrative by putting some big wins up on the board, and do so in the first hundred days.

Cancelling the TPP; big whoop, there was no TPP in place, so that's not a win, that's just status quo.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by StCapps » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:50 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:Yeah, I'm getting less bullish by the day now, he seems to be getting derailed already, you can call the media dishonest, you can call them biased, you can call them partisan hacks, but there's no doubt that they have the power to derail you, if you can't change up the narrative by putting some big wins up on the board, and do so in the first hundred days.

Cancelling the TPP; big whoop, there was no TPP in place, so that's not a win, that's just status quo.
The media hasn't stepped their game up, and until they do I am not that worried. I see no reason to not be getting more bullish by the day like you were pre-inauguration. Talking about crowd size is not a sign of derailment, nor is scrapping the TPP because we knew he was going that pre-inauguration, don't be silly. The media has fuck all on Trump right now and are running around like chickens with their heads cut off, I grow more bullish by the second and see no signs of the trend abating in the near term, at least thus far.
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Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:52 pm

And he walked on his own headlines anyways, he cancelled the TPP and went to Langley, but all he and anybody is talking about, is this ridiculous "who had bigger crowds at the inuagural?" That's what the media wants. that's playing right into their hands.
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Post by StCapps » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:53 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:And he walked on his own headlines anyways, he cancelled the TPP and went to Langley, but all he and anybody is talking about, is this ridiculous "who had bigger crowds at the inuagural?" That's what the media wants. that's playing right into their hands.
No that's playing into Trump's hands. You got it all wrong, you sound like Kath now. Picking a fight with the media on this is definitely in his interests while he has no other wins to tout. He didn't trample his message, they did, he countered back. Playing into Trump's counterpunches, is his world, the media is playing into his hands and giving him big counter windows to capitalize on, they are fighting on his turf and losing badly as a result. If they don't change it up they will have no success and continue their counter-productive brand of Trump hating, much to Trump's delight.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:56 pm

StCapps wrote:
Smitty-48 wrote:And he walked on his own headlines anyways, he cancelled the TPP and went to Langley, but all he and anybody is talking about, is this ridiculous "who had bigger crowds at the inuagural?" That's what the media wants. that's playing right into their hands.
No that's playing into Trump's hands. You got it all wrong, you sound like Kath now. Picking a fight with the media on this is definitely in his interests while he has no other wins to tout. He didn't trample his message, they did, he countered back. Playing into Trump's counterpunches, is his world, the media is playing into his hands.
I don't think Kath is always wrong, she's partisan, but even a partisan clock is right twice a day.

He's in the Oval now, there's no sense reacting to every single thing the media says with an all day news cycle, that's wasting rounds downrange, people are going to tire of that, very quickly.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by StCapps » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:57 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
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Smitty-48 wrote:And he walked on his own headlines anyways, he cancelled the TPP and went to Langley, but all he and anybody is talking about, is this ridiculous "who had bigger crowds at the inuagural?" That's what the media wants. that's playing right into their hands.
No that's playing into Trump's hands. You got it all wrong, you sound like Kath now. Picking a fight with the media on this is definitely in his interests while he has no other wins to tout. He didn't trample his message, they did, he countered back. Playing into Trump's counterpunches, is his world, the media is playing into his hands and giving him big counter windows to capitalize on, they are fighting on his turf and losing badly as a result. If they don't change it up they will have no success and continue their counter-productive brand of Trump hating, much to Trump's delight.
I don't think Kath is always wrong, she's partisan, but even a partisan clock is right twice a day.
Not this time. If you've got a better counter argument than I made, go ahead and make it. Otherwise her argument leaves a lot to be desired and I already picked it apart.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by C-Mag » Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:00 pm

I'm seeing the same thing as St Capps.

I think Trump will keep poking the press until it's not working for him anymore. I think he uses it as a distraction. I reminded of the brilliant move when he opened his new hotel and he had the press waiting on pins and needles for hours. They got squat out of him, he got tons of free press for himself and his business.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:02 pm

StCapps wrote:
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StCapps wrote:No that's playing into Trump's hands. You got it all wrong, you sound like Kath now. Picking a fight with the media on this is definitely in his interests while he has no other wins to tout. He didn't trample his message, they did, he countered back. Playing into Trump's counterpunches, is his world, the media is playing into his hands.
I don't think Kath is always wrong, she's partisan, but even a partisan clock is right twice a day.
Not this time. Maybe twice today she will be right, this ain't that time.

I disagree, I'm seeing a pattern forming, he needs to break out of this paradigm and regain the initiative, because Sean Spicer said a ton of stuff today, and much of it was quite sensible, but all the media is running, is the part where he got baited into defending his assertions about crowd size at the inaugural, and in that specific part of the press conference, he looked really weak and waffly, and then that's all they ran with, everything else he said, was supressed, they didn't report on anything except the derp. The media won this round easily, they can't keep walking into these punches and not take damage as they go.

Doesn't matter if you're the Abrams, if you keep getting baited into roadside bombs, the drip drip drip will break the tank down.
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