DACA

[BjornP]

I have zero interest in answering those questions.

The question of jurisprudence is whether we should consider children guilty of the crimes of their parents. I am not sure what case law has ever addressed this, since it is so patently fucking immoral that no legal system would or should survive the principle of inherited guilt.

Are the children of illegal immigrants similarly getting charged with illegally crossing the border? Yes? Then I'd agree that that's wrong.

No? Then it's their parents who are guilty of the crime, and simply the children who are the collateral damage, in a fight that the one who broke the law started.

Do you consider being escorted back to your side of the border tantamount to a prison sentence, a punishment? If so, then what you choose to call "inherited guilt" (it isn't) is carried out every day in most countries of the world.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

I have zero interest in answering those questions.

The question of jurisprudence is whether we should consider children guilty of the crimes of their parents. I am not sure what case law has ever addressed this, since it is so patently fucking immoral that no legal system would or should survive the principle of inherited guilt.

Are the children of illegal immigrants similarly getting charged with illegally crossing the border? Yes? Then I'd agree that that's wrong.

No? Then it's their parents who are guilty of the crime, and simply the children who are the collateral damage, in a fight that the one who broke the law started.

Do you consider being escorted back to your side of the border tantamount to a prison sentence, a punishment? If so, then what you choose to call "inherited guilt" (it isn't) is carried out every day in most countries of the world.

I consider forced relocation a punishment.

If they aren't being charged with illegally crossing the border, then they aren't illegal immigrants, they are non-citizen residents, and shouldn't be treated like criminals.

If they are being charged, then they are being charged with and punished for a crime someone else committed.

I don't know how you define inherited guilt, but being punished for a crime committed by your parents seems to fit the bill.

[DBTrek]

I consider forced relocation a punishment.

Except when their parents dragged their asses into our country illegally, right?
That forced relocation wasn't a punishment.
Nope.
Only sending them back.

[pineapplemike]

I think the punishment part comes from many of them establishing a life here and having that taken away from them (or having them taken away from it). After all, it is pretty great in America.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

I consider forced relocation a punishment.

Except when their parents dragged their asses into our country illegally, right?
That forced relocation wasn't a punishment.
Nope.
Only sending them back.

The illegality of the parents' action is not the responsibility of the child, wrong though it is.

The state forcibly relocating people who haven't committed any crime is also wrong.

Additionally, parents moving their children isn't exactly the same as the government moving people against their will.

With such terrible arguments, I have to assume you are just crumbling under the assault of my superior reasoning.

[DBTrek]

I think the punishment part comes from many of them establishing a life here and having that taken away from them (or having them taken away from it). After all, it is pretty great in America.

O RLY?

Did anyone tell the antifa/Berkeley/democrat crowd about this, because they seem to have strong opinions to the contrary.

[DBTrek]

The illegality of the parents' action is not the responsibility of the child, wrong though it is.

The state forcibly relocating people who haven't committed any crime is also wrong.

Additionally, parents moving their children isn't exactly the same as the government moving people against their will.

Right, right, of course.
Forced relocation of illegals out of a nation they're squatting is a punishment.
Forced relocation of children illegally into a noncompliant nation - well, that's just, you know, whatever.
Because reasons, of course.

My bad.

[pineapplemike]

I think the punishment part comes from many of them establishing a life here and having that taken away from them (or having them taken away from it). After all, it is pretty great in America.

O RLY?

Did anyone tell the antifa/Berkeley/democrat crowd about this, because they seem to have strong opinions to the contrary.

Yeah they're morons, fuck those guys.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

The illegality of the parents' action is not the responsibility of the child, wrong though it is.

The state forcibly relocating people who haven't committed any crime is also wrong.

Additionally, parents moving their children isn't exactly the same as the government moving people against their will.

Right, right, of course.
Forced relocation of illegals out of a nation they're squatting is a punishment.
Forced relocation of children illegally into a noncompliant nation - well, that's just, you know, whatever.
Because reasons, of course.

My bad.

What crime has the child committed that would have you classify them as illegal? Unless you are arguing they can be illegal and not have, themselves, committed a crime.

Referring to parents moving their children as forced relocation is just casuistry, and I am pretty sure you know it.

[DBTrek]

Are we prosecuting the child for a crime, or returning them to their country of origin per the laws of our own country?
You view our nation having rules for citizenship as a punishment to the rest of the world, apparently.