Trump Tower Bugged by BHO?

[ssu]

You keep mentioning Hillary's emails like it wasn't proven that she violated rules in setting up a private server in a closest in her house and used it for government business. Experts have also stated on record that her server was likely hacked into. That was a real thing, not empty innuendo.

And it was obvious and said that she had been reckless. But not so reckless to go to jail, for the FBI to present a case for the justice system. And furthermore, the info we got from those Russian hackings, which btw. even Putin himself referred to (which is interesting by itself), did show what was anticipated, that the DNC was biased towards Clinton, that there was pay-to-play scheme. Yep she violated the rules. But didn't go to jail.

So can happen here too.

That the FBI stops the investigation for there not being enough thing for criminal proceedings is a possibility. Or then that only some Roger Stone or Michael Flynn get a slap on the wrist. That this leads to the impeachment of Trump is only one distant possibility. Let's see.

But this surely isn't going to go away.

Why I mentioned Hillary's emails was because it's a good example of "moving the goalposts". Because that was unearthed because of the Benghazi hearings. So at least they found something.

[TheReal_ND]

It's classified and we don't know the truth. A reporter did write a story saying that one was denied in the summer and a second was approved in October but we have no way to know if it's true.

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume Comey wasn't specifically asked about this.

He was asked and "I can't comment on it" is what he said about all speciic FISA questions.

He used complete weasel words to say that Obama couldn't have wiretapped Trump unilaterally and would've needed cooperation from other leaders like the Attorney General, etc. As if the idea that Lynch and Obama would cooperate is impossible. Comey couldn't even deny that BHO tapped Trump, he only denied that BHO, acting alone, could legally have done so. There was extremely little information actually provided by Comey and Rogers.

I think the notable statements from Comey were these
-The FBI does have an ongoing investigation into potential cooperation between Trump campaign and Russia
-No hacking effected any voting processes or tallying in any state

You can tell he's full of shit because Comey said that he thinks Russia's goal is to divide America and sow doubt in our government (even moreso than to help Trump be elected. He specifically said this.) while at the same time saying explicitly that he will break protocol about not commenting on ongoing investigations in order to say the FBI is investigating Trump/Russia. Congressmen even pressured him about those two contradictory statements and pointed out that he is directly causing that doubt in our government by confirming the investigation without giving any more info, no comment. When congressmen told him that the IC leakers also undermine trust in our government, Comey said that he would not confirm if there was an investigation to find the leakers, following protocol of not commenting on ongoing investigations.

And Clapper has made a statement that he had no evidence of Trump/Russia connections, that was pointed out to Comey and he had no comment.

Is Comey a fucking eunuch?

[adwinistrator]

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume Comey wasn't specifically asked about this.

He was asked and "I can't comment on it" is what he said about all speciic FISA questions.

He used complete weasel words to say that Obama couldn't have wiretapped Trump unilaterally and would've needed cooperation from other leaders like the Attorney General, etc. As if the idea that Lynch and Obama would cooperate is impossible. Comey couldn't even deny that BHO tapped Trump, he only denied that BHO, acting alone, could legally have done so. There was extremely little information actually provided by Comey and Rogers.

I think the notable statements from Comey were these
-The FBI does have an ongoing investigation into potential cooperation between Trump campaign and Russia
-No hacking effected any voting processes or tallying in any state

You can tell he's full of shit because Comey said that he thinks Russia's goal is to divide America and sow doubt in our government (even moreso than to help Trump be elected. He specifically said this.) while at the same time saying explicitly that he will break protocol about not commenting on ongoing investigations in order to say the FBI is investigating Trump/Russia. Congressmen even pressured him about those two contradictory statements and pointed out that he is directly causing that doubt in our government by confirming the investigation without giving any more info, no comment. When congressmen told him that the IC leakers also undermine trust in our government, Comey said that he would not confirm if there was an investigation to find the leakers, following protocol of not commenting on ongoing investigations.

And Clapper has made a statement that he had no evidence of Trump/Russia connections, that was pointed out to Comey and he had no comment.

Is Comey a fucking eunuch?

In regards to Trump's claims that Obama had him wiretapped, Comey had a very specifically worded statement, which he repeated while saying he would not comment on the content of the tweets:

With respect to the president’s tweets about alleged wiretapping directed at him by the prior administration, I have no information that supports those tweets, and we have looked carefully inside the FBI. The Department of Justice has asked me to share with you that the answer is the same for the Department of Justice and all its components, the department has no information that supports those tweets.

[C-Mag]

He was asked and "I can't comment on it" is what he said about all speciic FISA questions.

He used complete weasel words to say that Obama couldn't have wiretapped Trump unilaterally and would've needed cooperation from other leaders like the Attorney General, etc. As if the idea that Lynch and Obama would cooperate is impossible. Comey couldn't even deny that BHO tapped Trump, he only denied that BHO, acting alone, could legally have done so. There was extremely little information actually provided by Comey and Rogers.

I think the notable statements from Comey were these
-The FBI does have an ongoing investigation into potential cooperation between Trump campaign and Russia
-No hacking effected any voting processes or tallying in any state

You can tell he's full of shit because Comey said that he thinks Russia's goal is to divide America and sow doubt in our government (even moreso than to help Trump be elected. He specifically said this.) while at the same time saying explicitly that he will break protocol about not commenting on ongoing investigations in order to say the FBI is investigating Trump/Russia. Congressmen even pressured him about those two contradictory statements and pointed out that he is directly causing that doubt in our government by confirming the investigation without giving any more info, no comment. When congressmen told him that the IC leakers also undermine trust in our government, Comey said that he would not confirm if there was an investigation to find the leakers, following protocol of not commenting on ongoing investigations.

And Clapper has made a statement that he had no evidence of Trump/Russia connections, that was pointed out to Comey and he had no comment.

+1

Yes, these are the facts. Both sides of this are going to claim some victory and the argument will go on. Russia + Trump = Zero Election Fraud. As revealed by the ongoing investigation by the Intelligence Community of Donald Trump; this investigation was initiated under the Obama Administration.

Here's the thing about our current government and how they insulate themselves from blame. They always talk about inclusive, collaborative decision making by a committee. Basically, there is never a buck stops here. Even though the POTUS is in charge, he's not responsible. Even though Comey is in charge, he's not responsible, "It was a Collaborative Decision by the Committee". Basically they've figured out it's like trying to put your thumb on an amoeba, can't be done, it just slimes it what out and takes a new form.

IMHO, the motive of Comey and these other intelligence agencies is Loyalty First to the Agency, rather than Loyalty to the Constitution and the American people. Comey's not going to admit they at a minimum F'd up or broke the law.

[ssu]

The FBI and it's director are on spot that they absolutely don't want to be.

It's really a lose-lose situation for them. Whatever happens.

First of all, knowing the US politics, in the end someone will definately believe that they are politically biased, political stooges.

[C-Mag]

The FBI and it's director are on spot that they absolutely don't want to be.

It's really a lose-lose situation for them. Whatever happens.

First of all, knowing the US politics, in the end someone will definately believe that they are politically biased, political stooges.

There's a bigger story here, investigations on American citizens with no substantive reason to do an investigation. That's the story here.

[ssu]

IMHO, the motive of Comey and these other intelligence agencies is Loyalty First to the Agency, rather than Loyalty to the Constitution and the American people. Comey's not going to admit they at a minimum F'd up or broke the law.

How did the FBI brake the law?

Heck, they started the Benghazi and email-investigations surely not because Obama wanted them to do it. They are in charge of US counterespionage effort in the US, and they have said, also now clearly repeated that Russia was behind the hackings. Even Trump has admitted that. For the institution that heck, has put it's rival intelligence service, the CIA on it's knee's by molehunts, cannot simply state that it won't look into the matter. Not after it has said that Russia was behind the hackings.

Once they came out that it was the Russians behind the hackings, there was no turning. You don't need for Obama then to ask for wiretappings or whatever whimsical tweet Trump makes of Obama (or perhaps for distraction, kind of works...). What the goddam democrats can just ask is for the FBI to do is it's fucking job.

Trump and his team have just with this multitude of meetings and public statements made this thing as big as it is... as naturally the opposition party will jump on this.

[ssu]

There's a bigger story here, investigations on American citizens with no substantive reason to do an investigation. That's the story here.

Let's just see how the investigations go before you say that there's no substantive reason.

[C-Mag]

IMHO, the motive of Comey and these other intelligence agencies is Loyalty First to the Agency, rather than Loyalty to the Constitution and the American people. Comey's not going to admit they at a minimum F'd up or broke the law.

How did the FBI brake the law?

Don't know right now.
The Law as I understand it is that they investigate Americans only if they are very sure laws are being broken or intent. So this appears to be going on for over a year, and they got nothing. Maybe they will find High Crimes or something.

Out of time right now, will get back to you later with more.

[StCapps]

Let's just see how the investigations go before you say that there's no substantive reason.

If we used that logic for every investigation then the string of investigations would be endless. You have to have some proper criteria to trigger an investigation and not just assume any investigation is always worth it.