Income Inequality

[The Conservative]

Well, the buggy whips will continue to be made obsolete. This isn't a new phenomenon, and frankly, shouldn't affect income inequality whatsoever, IMO. Minimum wage work is just as helpful to society as full-on welfare dependence.

We need small businesses to employ all of these idiots and push society forward. Without that, if we continue to glorify the monopolistic megacorps, leaving millions of idiots without even low-wage employment, then yes - I agree - our society is in serious trouble. The military can only take so many troops...

Minimum wage was never meant to be used as a full-time job for anyone. It was meant as a stepping stone to a better position for entry level employees that never had a job in their life.

Kids were meant to get minimum wage jobs, and then progress to a better paying job in the same field, or elsewhere... that has not happened for quite some time.

Agreed. And why?

Either a) without min-wage, they would have paid even less, or
b) perhaps they would actually pay more without a min-wage for management boards to look at and consider as "the floor" of their labor costs...

I really don't know the answer to this, but I'm beginning to suspect that with the removal of minimum wage, people would suddenly realize that they need to bargain for their salaries, or create a new business...

Any moron that doesn't negotiate their salary deserves neither a job nor a salary...

I negotiated mine, and was able to get $5000 more than they were offering originally. You don't get ahead by being complacent.

[apeman]

Sad truth:

low IQ folks have an increasingly bleak future around the world.

crowing about opportunity not gonna change that

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Sad truth:

low IQ folks have an increasingly bleak future around the world.

crowing about opportunity not gonna change that

Hey, it is better to be lucky than smart says me.

[Martin Hash]

Sad truth:

low IQ folks have an increasingly bleak future around the world.

crowing about opportunity not gonna change that

Oh... That's good. (Quotable.)

[The Conservative]

Sad truth:

low IQ folks have an increasingly bleak future around the world.

crowing about opportunity not gonna change that

Hey, it is better to be lucky than smart says me.

I was both. Lucky to get the job, smart enough to keep it.

[doc_loliday]

Sad truth:

low IQ folks have an increasingly bleak future around the world.

crowing about opportunity not gonna change that

Not sure if you were responding to me, but that was my whole point.

The only person that is going to get you to middle class is you. It's a new world; the ability to swing a hammer, and the willingness to do so, isn't going to get you anywhere. You need to be some combination of educated, resourceful, ambitious and motivated, with the ability to multitask. The more of those traits you possess, the better, preferably all of the above. And I don't think Trump is going to change shit. He can't save the people from themselves. Maybe America used to Great for the common man, but it's not going to be again. It's time to hustle if you really a piece.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Minimum wage was never meant to be used as a full-time job for anyone. It was meant as a stepping stone to a better position for entry level employees that never had a job in their life.

Kids were meant to get minimum wage jobs, and then progress to a better paying job in the same field, or elsewhere... that has not happened for quite some time.

Agreed. And why?

Either a) without min-wage, they would have paid even less, or
b) perhaps they would actually pay more without a min-wage for management boards to look at and consider as "the floor" of their labor costs...

I really don't know the answer to this, but I'm beginning to suspect that with the removal of minimum wage, people would suddenly realize that they need to bargain for their salaries, or create a new business...

Any moron that doesn't negotiate their salary deserves neither a job nor a salary...

I negotiated mine, and was able to get $5000 more than they were offering originally. You don't get ahead by being complacent.

I need to work on this as well. Recruiters are getting quite savvy about side-stepping any sort of negotiation process.
Her: "How much are you making currently?"
Me: "X"
Her: "Ok, so you're looking for around X+5k, right ok"
Me: "Uhh yeah" (thinking there will be an actual discussion of this with employer)
Employer: "Great you're hired"
Me: "Umm thanks. How much are you gonna pay me?"
Employer: "Oh, we already discussed that with Her, it's X+5k. Why are you such a jerk for asking that, anyway??"

[apeman]

Sad truth:

low IQ folks have an increasingly bleak future around the world.

crowing about opportunity not gonna change that

Not sure if you were responding to me, but that was my whole point.

The only person that is going to get you to middle class is you. It's a new world; the ability to swing a hammer, and the willingness to do so, isn't going to get you anywhere. You need to be some combination of educated, resourceful, ambitious and motivated, with the ability to multitask. The more of those traits you possess, the better, preferably all of the above. And I don't think Trump is going to change shit. He can't save the people from themselves. Maybe America used to Great for the common man, but it's not going to be again. It's time to hustle if you really a piece.

Fully agree, I was supporting your assertion.

The only exception is certain govt work. You can have guaranteed employment and make a fairly high salary without needing to be resourceful, ambitious and motivated.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Sad truth:

low IQ folks have an increasingly bleak future around the world.

crowing about opportunity not gonna change that

Not sure if you were responding to me, but that was my whole point.

The only person that is going to get you to middle class is you. It's a new world; the ability to swing a hammer, and the willingness to do so, isn't going to get you anywhere. You need to be some combination of educated, resourceful, ambitious and motivated, with the ability to multitask. The more of those traits you possess, the better, preferably all of the above. And I don't think Trump is going to change shit. He can't save the people from themselves. Maybe America used to Great for the common man, but it's not going to be again. It's time to hustle if you really a piece.

Fully agree, I was supporting your assertion.

The only exception is certain govt work. You can have guaranteed employment and make a fairly high salary without needing to be resourceful, ambitious and motivated.

Yeah, I'm thinking of turning down a job with the City actually.. Looks like a stuffy, claustrophic kind of place to me. Good bennies though, and I'd jump right on it 10 years from now..

[The Conservative]

Agreed. And why?

Either a) without min-wage, they would have paid even less, or
b) perhaps they would actually pay more without a min-wage for management boards to look at and consider as "the floor" of their labor costs...

I really don't know the answer to this, but I'm beginning to suspect that with the removal of minimum wage, people would suddenly realize that they need to bargain for their salaries, or create a new business...

Any moron that doesn't negotiate their salary deserves neither a job nor a salary...

I negotiated mine, and was able to get $5000 more than they were offering originally. You don't get ahead by being complacent.

I need to work on this as well. Recruiters are getting quite savvy about side-stepping any sort of negotiation process.
Her: "How much are you making currently?" Me: "X"
Her: "Ok, so you're looking for around X+5k, right ok" Me: "Uhh yeah" (thinking there will be an actual discussion of this with employer)
Employer: "Great you're hired" Me: "Umm thanks. How much are you gonna pay me?"
Employer: "Oh, we already discussed that with Her, it's X+5k. Why are you such a jerk for asking that, anyway??"

When headhunters ask me how much I made when looking for work, I said it's not relevant to the job I'm going for. I then turn the question back on them, what is the rate the client is looking for?

They normally push a low ball number out, one of the things they do is try to make at least a 50% profit on most jobs... so if they offer, never accept the first number. Especially if it's less than you were making before, or as you pointed out 5K over your old job... that's not worth moving period...

I made a 25% increase from my old job to this one... my next job if I get it, I'll be doing the same.

Always bid higher than you expect to get, they will try to knock you down, but where they normally will knock you down to is where you wanted to be in the first place.

Of course, if they don't budge in the first place, they aren't serious about getting you in, and are just looking for bodies to throw at a problem.

20+ years of contracts... you learn how to talk to assholes like that...