God help us all: Ranked Choice Voting will be on the ballot in Massachusetts this November

[Martin Hash]

Alright all of you seem to be fucking this up. This is why we can't do this. Think of this as a college application process. You list the colleges you want to go to in a ranked order. The third party is like the little expensive exclusive specialty college you really want to go to as your first choice. Then the list goes down from there onto your fall back state college, lets say your two big parties. If by some miracle you get into your first choice the rest of your list doesn't matter only until your 1st choice is eliminated is the rest of your list considered. If you are voting for the big parties first then the third parties second you are defeating the entire purpose of RCV and your secondary choices wont be reported.

Bad analogy, people who care about their football team being nationally ranked don't go to expensive exclusive specialty colleges.

It will be tribe 1st (R or D) then masturbatory candidate. If they don't know anything, it'll just be the 1st vote, and nobody will downvote past 2, and certainly not for anyone they don't like except for 1st to make their team win: i.e. Trump is better than Marxism.

[PartyOf5]

It will be tribe 1st (R or D) then masturbatory candidate. If they don't know anything, it'll just be the 1st vote, and nobody will downvote past 2, and certainly not for anyone they don't like except for 1st to make their team win: i.e. Trump is better than Marxism.

Tribe first still ensures that no 3rd party will make it past the 1st round because they will have the least number of first choice votes. That eliminates the 3rd party and leaves us with what we have now, just that the people who voted 3rd party now basically get a do-over and their 2nd choice (if they made one) counts in the final election.

[Martin Hash]

It will be tribe 1st (R or D) then masturbatory candidate. If they don't know anything, it'll just be the 1st vote, and nobody will downvote past 2, and certainly not for anyone they don't like except for 1st to make their team win: i.e. Trump is better than Marxism.

Tribe first still ensures that no 3rd party will make it past the 1st round because they will have the least number of first choice votes. That eliminates the 3rd party and leaves us with what we have now, just that the people who voted 3rd party now basically get a do-over and their 2nd choice (if they made one) counts in the final election.

Third Parties are still at an extreme disadvantage but this gives a viable candidate a chance: 3rd Parties often rank in the top 3.

[The Conservative]

It will be tribe 1st (R or D) then masturbatory candidate. If they don't know anything, it'll just be the 1st vote, and nobody will downvote past 2, and certainly not for anyone they don't like except for 1st to make their team win: i.e. Trump is better than Marxism.

Tribe first still ensures that no 3rd party will make it past the 1st round because they will have the least number of first choice votes. That eliminates the 3rd party and leaves us with what we have now, just that the people who voted 3rd party now basically get a do-over and their 2nd choice (if they made one) counts in the final election.

Third Parties are still at an extreme disadvantage but this gives a viable candidate a chance: 3rd Parties often rank in the top 3.

If they don't get in by the 2nd vote it's irrelevant.

That being said, one man one vote. Not one man multiple attempts.

[SuburbanFarmer]

I’m a 3rd Party candidate. A LOT of people say they’d like to vote for me but they don’t want to risk losing; a bird in the hand situation. If there was rank-ordering, I’d get tons of 2nd choice votes even though I was really the 1st choice.

p.s. I’ve never won anything by popular vote in my life, so I’m talking out of my ass here. Maybe people are just being nice when they tell me that.

Lots of 2nd choice votes wouldn't matter. If you were last in first place votes in the initial round you would be eliminated.

we've had 3rd party candidates in elections. They end up getting maybe 10% of the vote. In ranked choice they would still get eliminated. The only difference would be where their 10% would get divided up between the D and R.

Imagine how many people didn’t vote 3rd party because it was ‘wasting their vote’. They’d be choosing the 3rd party instead.

I think the results could be rather shocking to establishment toadies, like ClubGOP.

[SuburbanFarmer]

If all the Ds and Rs put the 3rd party in second place it will still end up being a D or R that wins because the 3rd party will still be the distant last in the first round.

No, because there will never be a clear winner between D and R. Thus, whatever 3rd candidate was selected most often as "second choice" will win.

What? How are fucking this up so bad? This IS WORSE THAN YOUR PRIMARY ELECTION SHIT.

Shush. Nobody under 60 with the IQ of a gnat is going to vote D and R when they could have a candidate that reflects their interests.

[TheOneX]

Whether or not this is good for 3rd parties will come down to how the media reports on it. If they report on it accurately it will show people that they can vote 3rd party first and the establishment second.

Also, I disagree with the notion that the Democrats and Republicans are generic and run of the mill. Right now the Democrats are very extreme.

[clubgop]

Alright all of you seem to be fucking this up. This is why we can't do this. Think of this as a college application process. You list the colleges you want to go to in a ranked order. The third party is like the little expensive exclusive specialty college you really want to go to as your first choice. Then the list goes down from there onto your fall back state college, lets say your two big parties. If by some miracle you get into your first choice the rest of your list doesn't matter only until your 1st choice is eliminated is the rest of your list considered. If you are voting for the big parties first then the third parties second you are defeating the entire purpose of RCV and your secondary choices wont be reported.

Bad analogy, people who care about their football team being nationally ranked don't go to expensive exclusive specialty colleges.

It will be tribe 1st (R or D) then masturbatory candidate. If they don't know anything, it'll just be the 1st vote, and nobody will downvote past 2, and certainly not for anyone they don't like except for 1st to make their team win: i.e. Trump is better than Marxism.

You may be right which would defeat the entire purpose of the system.

[PartyOf5]

Shush. Nobody under 60 with the IQ of a gnat is going to vote D and R when they could have a candidate that reflects their interests.

They can have that now under the current system. Yet any 3rd party candidate never gets more than 10% of the vote.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Shush. Nobody under 60 with the IQ of a gnat is going to vote D and R when they could have a candidate that reflects their interests.

They can have that now under the current system. Yet any 3rd party candidate never gets more than 10% of the vote.

No, because it’s always a ‘wasted vote’, or ‘helping the other side’.