Once and for all. Flipping of the Parties.

[DBTrek]

Case in point, class is in session - let's take a look and watch brewster's progression:

I don't get how it's a "conspiracy theory", it's just a fact that southern whites left the Democrats for the GOP. Is that in dispute?

Clearly. It. Is. (Last link is a video just in case reading isn't your thing)

If it isn't then what is this even about? If you take offense at anyone calling the current GOP racist, bringing up Lincoln from 150 years ago is not a very compelling argument, neither is calling out racist Democrats of 60 years ago.

A lot of "ifs" floating around up there. Looks like a derail attempt. Don't ask me a bunch of hypotheticals, answer to your own motivations. If you're wrong about the party flip, why do you care? Likewise, why is it so important to you that everyone else believes in your extremely simplistic explanation of a multi-decade political shift?

Is the fact that the GOP is overwhelmingly white being disputed?

Ah, here we go. As if any further evidence were needed that the political-flip fable were true, just look how white the GOP is!


As I said, if you're not a race-baiter, none of this mythology about the party flip matters. It only matters to low-info hash-taggers looking for justifications to call others racist.

/boring

[nmoore63]

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[nmoore63]

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Note: it was facebook who restricted Liberty Meme's post, and the post only said democrats not "party."

[brewster]

I don't get how it's a "conspiracy theory", it's just a fact that southern whites left the Democrats for the GOP. Is that in dispute?

Clearly. It. Is. (Last link is a video just in case reading isn't your thing)

So its in dispute that southern whites left the Democrats for the GOP. Huh. That would come as news to, um, just about everyone.

[DBTrek]

I don't get how it's a "conspiracy theory", it's just a fact that southern whites left the Democrats for the GOP. Is that in dispute?

Clearly. It. Is. (Last link is a video just in case reading isn't your thing)

So its in dispute that southern whites left the Democrats for the GOP. Huh. That would come as news to, um, just about everyone.

The premise you've set forth as to the cause of that shift is highly questioned by nearly everyone remotely familiar with the facts surrounding the topic.
The shift occurred. Not for the reasons you and the rest of race-baiting drone-dom believe.

[heydaralon]

Didn't LBJ say something along the lines of (after passing his Great Society legislagion): "We'll get niggers to vote Democrat for the next 200 years after this!"

Funny, Dems who bring up the "racism" of the Republican Party don't touch on this. I wonder why...

[The Conservative]

It's a bullshit theory. The party flip is a myth. Look up how many in Congress actually flipped from Dem to GOP. This is a lie told by Dems to explain how the party of Lincoln are the real racists and not the party of the KKK.

Three is what I was told, it was 3 out of 26...from the Dixiecrats.

Look at the seats, not the person. How many flipped GOP by 1990? I don't understand the "women Democrats were only missing the hoods" reference. What's that about?

Here's an interesting read.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrisladd/ ... 8e1e96695f

And 1990, those weren’t Dixiecrats.

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[brewster]

The premise you've set forth as to the cause of that shift is highly questioned by nearly everyone remotely familiar with the facts surrounding the topic.
The shift occurred. Not for the reasons you and the rest of race-baiting drone-dom believe.

I see. "No officer, I wasn't weaving, I was just testing my steering". Whatever you say. You got your white GOP, have fun with it.

Conservative, I don't know what that's a pic of other than women in white coats with ERA buttons.

[DBTrek]

I see. "No officer, I wasn't weaving, I was just testing my steering". Whatever you say. You got your white GOP, have fun with it.

Conservative, I don't know what that's a pic of other than women in white coats with ERA buttons.

Again with the white fixation.
I'd say your bag of tricks is extremely shallow, but a single trick doesn't even require a bag.

[DBTrek]

Real Clear Politics

But you also can't ignore that the South was by that point aligned with the national Republican Party on a wide expanse of issues relating to taxes, anti-communism, school prayer, abortion, the counterculture, Vietnam . . . the list goes on. Chalking everything up to the Civil Rights Act is overly simplistic, to the point of being incorrect.

The movement of the South toward the Republicans is not a story of a rapid realignment brought about by LBJ's actions in the race debates of the 1960s. It was a slow, century-long process that began before LBJ was elected to Congress, that is still unfolding today and that, while driven in part by race, most certainly did not have "everything to do with race."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/artic ... 07084.html

The Hill

The progressive notion of a Dixiecrat switch is a myth. Yet it is myth that continues to be promoted, using dubious case examples. Though the late Sens. Jesse Helms of North Carolina and John Tower of Texas and former Mississippi Sen. Trent Lott all switched from the Democratic Party to the GOP, none of these men was a Dixiecrat.

The South, as a whole, became Republican during the 1980s and 1990s. This had nothing to do with Nixon; it was because of Ronald Reagan and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich’s “Contract with America.” The conservative appeal to patriotism, anti-communism, free markets, pro-life and Christianity had far more to do with the South’s movement into the GOP camp than anything related to race.

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/40 ... n-strategy

NPR

While Polsby's observation clearly applies in states such as Florida and Georgia, many other observers have tended to attribute the Southern shift to Republicanism to changing party alignments on issues. Salient among these are views on race, civil rights and federal power.

Many Southerners have stood by traditional values on social issues as well — including guns, school prayer, abortion and same-sex marriage. And these voters have found their conservative stands more welcome in the Republican Party than in the Democratic.

https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpoli ... an-redoubt

The Guardian

Now, it wasn't that the Civil Rights Act was what turned the South against the Democrats or minorities against Republicans. Those patterns, as Trende showed, had been developing for a while. It was, however, a manifestation of these growing coalitions. The South gradually became home to the conservative party, while the north became home to the liberal party.

Today, the transformation is nearly complete. President Obama carried only 18% of former Confederate states, while taking 62% of non-Confederate states in 2012. Only 27% of southern senators are Democrats, while 62% of Union state senators are Democrats. And 29% of southern members in the House are Democrats compared to 54% in states or territories that were part of the Union.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... vil-rights

When smart lefties think they're addressing other smart lefties they drop the bullshit and admit that the whole Southern Strategy/Dixiecrat thing is just easily memorized fodder for feeding to the dipshits. Sorry it took someone on the opposite side of the aisle to bring it to your attention - but if you buy this simplistic shit then you're a puppet, not a puppeteer, of the ideology.

/shrug