Of ways long past.

[jediuser598]

I'll have to do more research about it, but what if we created a fund specifically aimed at just paying down the national debt. As in, we don't raise taxes, this is a voluntary extra tax, that citizens can donate to in order to pay down that national debt. The bitch is, how to avoid government abuse of those funds and how to actually get it towards paying down the actual debt. I'm not the most savvy when it comes to financials, but I would be ok with setting aside money each month that went straight to paying down the national debt, if it actually did pay down the nation debt.

[doc_loliday]

I don't think anyone here would argue that passing debt to your children is a "good thing". The OPs point was about making sacrifices for future generations. So who is calling for scaling back or ending entitlements and welfare ? Or is the point, other people should make sacrifices for the children?

I think the OP was saying that building something lasting for future generations shouldn't really be viewed as a sacrifice at all.

Personally though, I just want DB to keep paying his property taxes to keep my bennies flowing.

The OPs premeir example is about the US debt. His version of not planting trees is passing on said debt.

Be the change you want to see and all that.

[doc_loliday]

I'll have to do more research about it, but what if we created a fund specifically aimed at just paying down the national debt. As in, we don't raise taxes, this is a voluntary extra tax, that citizens can donate to in order to pay down that national debt. The bitch is, how to avoid government abuse of those funds and how to actually get it towards paying down the actual debt. I'm not the most savvy when it comes to financials, but I would be ok with setting aside money each month that went straight to paying down the national debt, if it actually did pay down the nation debt.

Its impossible to imagine any such fund not being looted.
Solutions are always harder than critques.

[jediuser598]

I'll have to do more research about it, but what if we created a fund specifically aimed at just paying down the national debt. As in, we don't raise taxes, this is a voluntary extra tax, that citizens can donate to in order to pay down that national debt. The bitch is, how to avoid government abuse of those funds and how to actually get it towards paying down the actual debt. I'm not the most savvy when it comes to financials, but I would be ok with setting aside money each month that went straight to paying down the national debt, if it actually did pay down the nation debt.

Its impossible to imagine any such fund not being looted.
Solutions are always harder than critques.

Irony.

[DBTrek]

Indeed. There seems to be a modern phenomenon of people believing that they’re uniquely ordained to identify problems on the internet. As if being able to spot a problem is a special skill or laudable talent. Social media is full of self-appointed problem identifiers writing sizeable daily screeds about this problem and that - often to the vapid praise of other problem identifiers.

I find it all very narcissistic and empty. Two year olds can identify problems.

[jediuser598]

End Social Security. For the children.

That would be Medicaid.

What we’re really talking about, ultimately, is the price tag of a compassionate society.

Yup.

[doc_loliday]

I'll have to do more research about it, but what if we created a fund specifically aimed at just paying down the national debt. As in, we don't raise taxes, this is a voluntary extra tax, that citizens can donate to in order to pay down that national debt. The bitch is, how to avoid government abuse of those funds and how to actually get it towards paying down the actual debt. I'm not the most savvy when it comes to financials, but I would be ok with setting aside money each month that went straight to paying down the national debt, if it actually did pay down the nation debt.

Its impossible to imagine any such fund not being looted.
Solutions are always harder than critques.

Irony.

That's the point. I am guilty of this and am acknowledging it.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

I don't think anyone here would argue that passing debt to your children is a "good thing". The OPs point was about making sacrifices for future generations. So who is calling for scaling back or ending entitlements and welfare ? Or is the point, other people should make sacrifices for the children?

I think the OP was saying that building something lasting for future generations shouldn't really be viewed as a sacrifice at all.

Personally though, I just want DB to keep paying his property taxes to keep my bennies flowing.

The OPs premeir example is about the US debt. His version of not planting trees is passing on said debt.

Be the change you want to see and all that.

To be fair, the OP didn't initially bring up debt. I read the quote more as a 'standing on the shoulders of giants' type thing.

[jediuser598]

Indeed. There seems to be a modern phenomenon of people believing that they’re uniquely ordained to identify problems in the internet. As if being able to spot a problem is a special skill or laudable talent. Social media is full of self appointed problem identifiers writing sizeabke daily screeds about this problem and that - often to the vapid praise of other problem identifiers.

I find it all very narcissistic and empty. Two year olds can identify problems.

So, how do we solve the problem of kicking the can down the road? There are of course no easy solutions to this. How do we solve this problem? It's not fair to the next generation to leave them with our problems, or the problems of our parents, or grand parents.

[doc_loliday]

Well its right there on the first page.