So what's with all the parcel bombs in Texas?

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Re: So what's with all the parcel bombs in Texas?

Post by Otern » Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:35 am

Montegriffo wrote:Once you have had a thirty year bombing campaign on your homeland you may feel differently.
Fertilizers here have additives which inhibit their explosive potential. Pretty hard to build a bomb here.
Plenty of other ways to make bombs. Also, those additives are possible to remove, like Breivik did here in Norway. But it does help in making it a bit harder for terrorists to make the really large truck bombs.

But, acetone peroxide is still the terrorist's go to explosive. Easy to get hold of chemicals, easy to make, although risky, easy to detonate, and very powerful.

Then you have basic black powder in a pressurized container. Black powder is easily obtained around new years eve everywhere, and you can make it yourself using medieval techniques. And even if that's gone, you can still make an equivalent from match heads. Still hard to make the big truck bombs, but backpacks and pressure cooker bombs will never go away through "bomb control measures". And you can only limit the prevalence of the big ones to some degree.

And the americans did have a bombing campaign on their country for a pretty long time:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground

I'm afraid the media will treat this the same stupid way they treat mass shootings, sensationalizing it, and glorifying the criminal for other would be murderers.

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Re: So what's with all the parcel bombs in Texas?

Post by Fife » Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:37 am

He knows, Doctor. He has reasoned it out.

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Re: So what's with all the parcel bombs in Texas?

Post by Montegriffo » Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:38 am

PartyOf5 wrote:
Montegriffo wrote:Pretty hard to build a bomb here.
Is it?
Montegriffo wrote:Once you have had a thirty year bombing campaign on your homeland you may feel differently.
You stated that it's pretty hard to build a bomb in your country while a the same time telling us you've had a 30 year bombing campaign there. Which is it?
The IRA used the money sent to them by Americans to buy Semtex from Libya. They did not have to go homemade.
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Re: So what's with all the parcel bombs in Texas?

Post by Ph64 » Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:44 am

Otern wrote: I'm afraid the media will treat this the same stupid way they treat mass shootings, sensationalizing it, and glorifying the criminal for other would be murderers.
Bingo. Its well known that publicizing this stuff on a mass scale makes for copycats. Shit, everyone these days seems to be looking for their "15 minutes of fame", thus we get absurd " reality" TV shows, the "Tide packet challenge", people taking selfie videos while walking off a cliff not paying attention, the kid who hasd his GF shoot him with a .50cal through a 3" phone book that "would" (didn't :P) stop it...

Our culture is sick, and the publicity doesn't help.

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Re: So what's with all the parcel bombs in Texas?

Post by Montegriffo » Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:08 pm

Otern wrote:
Montegriffo wrote:Once you have had a thirty year bombing campaign on your homeland you may feel differently.
Fertilizers here have additives which inhibit their explosive potential. Pretty hard to build a bomb here.
Plenty of other ways to make bombs. Also, those additives are possible to remove, like Breivik did here in Norway. But it does help in making it a bit harder for terrorists to make the really large truck bombs.

But, acetone peroxide is still the terrorist's go to explosive. Easy to get hold of chemicals, easy to make, although risky, easy to detonate, and very powerful.

Then you have basic black powder in a pressurized container. Black powder is easily obtained around new years eve everywhere, and you can make it yourself using medieval techniques. And even if that's gone, you can still make an equivalent from match heads. Still hard to make the big truck bombs, but backpacks and pressure cooker bombs will never go away through "bomb control measures". And you can only limit the prevalence of the big ones to some degree.

And the americans did have a bombing campaign on their country for a pretty long time:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground

I'm afraid the media will treat this the same stupid way they treat mass shootings, sensationalizing it, and glorifying the criminal for other would be murderers.
Hard to get large amounts of peroxide without ending up on a list these days.
Obviously you are never going to be able to make it impossible to build a bomb but I don't see why you shouldn't try to make it as difficult as you can.
Regulations equals police state to some people.
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Re: So what's with all the parcel bombs in Texas?

Post by Otern » Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:37 pm

Montegriffo wrote: Hard to get large amounts of peroxide without ending up on a list these days.
Obviously you are never going to be able to make it impossible to build a bomb but I don't see why you shouldn't try to make it as difficult as you can.
Regulations equals police state to some people.
Not that hard really. I'm not going to go into detail on a public forum, for any nutjob to read. But with a basic understanding of high school chemistry, and an interest in things that go boom, there's endless possibilites even today.

Agree that there should be some restrictions. I think the additives to fertilizers are decent enough. People can still make bombs, but making the huge truck bombs will get considerably harder. But there's not much restrictions will do to the small bombs popular among terrorists today, which is partly why they're popular. There's simply too many different types of explosives and ingredients for restrictions to stop them from being made. Make one impossible, and suddenly people can't bleach their hair anymore, or they're not getting their head ache pills, and the terrorists will just turn to another explosive. It will be an endless cat and mouse game after all kinds of chemicals. And it will never stop bombings. Not even reduce them further at this point, since every country has been going through this, and made it as hard as realistically possible to get the "easiest explosives".

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Re: So what's with all the parcel bombs in Texas?

Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:54 pm

Yeah, I hesitate to post counterpoints to Monty because I don't want to give anybody ideas.

It's really not that difficult to build a bomb. Building a safe bomb that necessarily detonates when you want and how you want.. that can be tricky, I suppose, but I never really found it particularly interesting to figure out the finer points.

The thing is, a lot of the bombs we use in the Air Force are not as complicated as people might suspect. There are a few components I don't immediately know how to replicate, but I am sure I could figure it out.

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Re: So what's with all the parcel bombs in Texas?

Post by Okeefenokee » Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:50 pm

One of the kids killed went to my school. Music major. Cops are all over campus.
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Re: So what's with all the parcel bombs in Texas?

Post by TheReal_ND » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:10 pm

Okeefenokee wrote:One of the kids killed went to my school. Music major. Cops are all over campus.
Damn. Sucks.

So apparently the bomber is using more or less the same tactics Uncle Ted supposedly used in these package bombs. Some of these aren't being mailed although one apparently was attempted to have been mailed. So if you see a strange package in Texas on your doorstep poke it with a long stick a few times.

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Re: So what's with all the parcel bombs in Texas?

Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:19 pm

Good thing we don't just publish our addresses on here.. oh wait..