Stabbing at Mall of America by a guy named....

[The Conservative]

You brought the parents up, I didn't... you prove they deserve to be here.

I know nothing about them. You are claiming they are terrorists and that's the reason for this violent crime. All I know is that he was born in Minnesota, meaning the immigration policy would not have prevented this crime. What evidence do you have his parents came here so their son could try to rob a clothing store with a knife?

All I know is that if we had a merit-based immigration policy, there would be a significant chance he would not have been here... Somali has not produced anyone of worth for ages, ever since their country has become a breeding ground for piracy.... especially since their country's economy and infrastructure collapsed from corruption back in 1991, which would have been a few years before he was born, yes? Which would have been 1996, if my math is correct...

[nmoore63]

Also, and God-forbid we let Nick drag us down Red Herring Lane with his pointless changes in subject, but even his red herring is wrong. While crime is slightly correlated with poverty, it's much more correlated to race. To wit: poor whites do not commit anywhere near the amount of violent crime as, for example, equivalently poor blacks. You can wander down a random gravel road in Harlan county and walk back out unscathed. That's not so in many inner city neighborhoods populated by blacks.

You are correct except that you add some silly racial qualifiers.

If you walk down a poor rural white neighborhood you will be fine. If you walk down a poor urban white neighborhood you might be in trouble.

Poor urban blacks (51.3 per 1,000) had rates of violence similar to poor urban whites (56.4 per 1,000).

https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5137

The actual point here is that these nonwestern immigrants really don't integrate well here, they come with huge amounts of poverty themselves (so even if you want to accept Nick's false cause of violent crime, you'd still have to side against further immigration from these places), and we really don't benefit AT ALL from them immigrating here.

Getting closer. But if you really want to decrease immigration crime, you need to use education and wealth.

With respect to immigration, rich and educated brown people should be given preferential treatment over poor and uneducated white people.

[Montegriffo]

Wait a minute, I'm confused. I've been told that only the left play identity politics...

[Ex-California]

BAN KNIVES

[The Conservative]

BAN KNIVES

Ban Knives with Muslim Attachments to them!

[LVH2]

I mean I guess it depends on what the purpose of the post is.

I've seen little that says Muslims cause more theft.

I've seen plenty that says poor people cause more theft.

If the purpose is to rah rah your base than it works.

If the purpose is to convince anyone different than it does the opposite, only further entrenches with them that you have a weak position if you feel the need to use this example.

I think this is part of the reason, or part of the fact of, hostility and polarization. People have this weird compulsion to be disingenuous all the time. They see the other side do it and pounce on it, claiming it proves they are horrible people who lie about everything. Then turn around and do it themselves.

An example on the other side would be accusing Roy Moore of pedophilia. They have him pretty much nailed. Then they say he is a pedophile. So people are like, well, no. Pedophiles are attracted to children, not teenage girls and you have a bigger shit storm. Looks very much like the dude was aggressively chasing 14 year olds as a 32 year old. You win! Shut up! Don't add obvious lies for no reason.

Another one, more like this case. "Why isn't the Vegas attack considered terrorism? Racism!"

No, it's because terrorism has a political objective. Nobody flinched about calling Tim M a terrorist. Nobody called the DC sniper a terrorist. Yes, there is a small pocket of people who honestly say all of these acts are terrorism. But most people just go with the prevailing usage. Race has little to nothing to do with it.

I think most people know what they are saying is untrue or ridiculous in these cases. At a certain level, it's like always thinking the ref made a bad call when it goes against your team, but this goes beyond that into the patently absurd.

[LVH2]

BAN KNIVES

Ah, a good example of what I'm talkign about. I would say the speciality of the MCF/DCF community is making very good arguments against gun control.

But people just can't resist.

Let's look at this case on its face. Like, just right square on its face.

Guy pulls a knife in a crowded store and goes nuts. 2 people are injured.

Guy pulls a gun in a crowded store and goes nuts... ?????

Are you really suggesting that guns are not far more effective killing machines than knives? If so, who cares if they ban guns, because then YOU can just use knives?

[nmoore63]

BAN KNIVES

Ban Knives with Muslim Attachments to them!

Ha. Ok, that was funny.

[The Conservative]

I mean I guess it depends on what the purpose of the post is.

I've seen little that says Muslims cause more theft.

I've seen plenty that says poor people cause more theft.

If the purpose is to rah rah your base than it works.

If the purpose is to convince anyone different than it does the opposite, only further entrenches with them that you have a weak position if you feel the need to use this example.

I think this is part of the reason, or part of the fact of, hostility and polarization. People have this weird compulsion to be disingenuous all the time. They see the other side do it and pounce on it, claiming it proves they are horrible people who lie about everything. Then turn around and do it themselves.

An example on the other side would be accusing Roy Moore of pedophilia. They have him pretty much nailed. Then they say he is a pedophile. So people are like, well, no. Pedophiles are attracted to children, not teenage girls and you have a bigger shit storm. Looks very much like the dude was aggressively chasing 14 year olds as a 32 year old. You win! Shut up! Don't add obvious lies for no reason.

Another one, more like this case. "Why isn't the Vegas attack considered terrorism? Racism!"

No, it's because terrorism has a political objective. Nobody flinched about calling Tim M a terrorist. Nobody called the DC sniper a terrorist. Yes, there is a small pocket of people who honestly say all of these acts are terrorism. But most people just go with the prevailing usage. Race has little to nothing to do with it.

I think most people know what they are saying is untrue or ridiculous in these cases. At a certain level, it's like always thinking the ref made a bad call when it goes against your team, but this goes beyond that into the patently absurd.

If Roy Moore is dead to rights has been shown to be a pedophile, put his dick into a vice up to his balls, break off the handle, give him a rusty saw at arm's length away, set the place ablaze. Let him decide if he deserves to live or not.

As for the rest, you got a lot of opinion in there...