Catalan Independence

[heydaralon]

No idea what's going to happen. And really not much understanding of what is happening. The only impression I'm getting that it's peaceful...so far.

Are there any separatist movements in Scandinavia?

Yeah, but they either are super small minorities, or they've already been placated enough by being granted home rule and autonomy, that they don't see a point in declaring themselves entirely independent. The Sami that populate all the states of northern Scandinavia (+parts of Russia) have home rule in Norway, but I don't know their status in Sweden, Finland and Russia. The national minority of Swedes in Finland seem quite content being part of Finland.

In Denmark there are no Sami, but the Greenland inuit already have extended home rule. Legally, they could declare their seccesion today and it would be accepted by the Danish government. Their economy is shit, so they're not going to do that for now, though. Nearby, some of the Faroe Islanders, a small island cluster of peoples who speak a language very similar to Icelandic and who aslo enjoy home rule, tend to ask for more independence and sovereignty, but go just shy of wanting to secceede from the Rigsfællesskab, the informal name for the union between the kingdom of Denmark and the state of Greenland and the Faroe Islands. Think of Greenland and the Faroe islands, as what Northern Ireland and Scotland is to the United Kingdom.

So.... there aren't seperatist movements that can compare to the likes of the Catalan one, or the Basque or N. Irish ones.

How much of these separatist movements are a legacy of WW2? There were a bunch of partisan groups that coalesced when Europe was in disarray, and while the governments of Europe were pretty good at disbanding them, much of that sentiment seems to have carried over from the war. At least, that's my opinion. The Irish had grievances well before that conflict of course, but I'm not sure about these other groups.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Watches Spanish Civil War 2.0 on tv.
Eats some popcorn.
Sees US troops entering Spain.
Wait, wut?
Gets to pay taxes for invading Europe. Again.

If milk prices go up another dime you might need some serious therapy for PTSD and TBI.

I'll put together a care package.

Savings will be confiscated for Freedom. All citizens are encouraged to spend as quickly as possible.

[Okeefenokee]

No, but we are requisitioning all the best strippers to work the dfac, and none of you faggot non-hackers are invited.

The NFL is being impressed for KP duty.

NFL cheerleaders can work the wash rack.

[Speaker to Animals]

Just putting this out there...

Military work is a demanding job. It's really difficult to keep the barracks in order. We could also use the cheerleaders for work around the barracks.

[heydaralon]

Just putting this out there...

Military work is a demanding job. It's really difficult to keep the barracks in order. We could also use the cheerleaders for work around the barracks.

Raising kids is the hardest job of all. Far harder than IED's and firefights. Sometimes the traffic is really bad on the way to daycare.

[Speaker to Animals]

Just putting this out there...

Military work is a demanding job. It's really difficult to keep the barracks in order. We could also use the cheerleaders for work around the barracks.

Raising kids is the hardest job of all. Far harder than IED's and firefights. Sometimes the traffic is really bad on the way to daycare.

Yeah, I forgot about the real victims.

[Otern]

I'm swaying towards the Spaniards now.

When the Catalonian president jump ships, and start managing stuff from Brussels, he's taken this Spanish/Catalan conflict, and escalated it to a European conflict.

Now the rest of Europe, and the EU, is forced to take a stand, one way or the other, and they really shouldn't since this is a matter between Spain and Catalonia.

Spain fucked up by sending in the riot police too early, but Catalonia fucked up even more by sending their government in exile, instead of going to prison, or standing their ground.

The EU bootlicking by the Catalans makes it improbable they're really after true independence, but rather have economical goals.

EU is never going to support an independance movement. The last thing it wants is small successful parts of Europe breaking off.
Wise move to get out of the country though. Going to be months and months of legal battles ahead so they might as well be in a Brussels hotel rather than a Spanish prison.

Going to Brussels is the safe way for the president as an individual, but it hurts the Catalan independence movement immensely.

The EU has pretty much gone as far as they can against Spain, by semi condemning the use of force. Going further would turn Spain against the EU, and the EU can't afford that now.

[C-Mag]

1930s Catalan Anarchists

[Montegriffo]

Going to Brussels is the safe way for the president as an individual, but it hurts the Catalan independence movement immensely.

Not sure about that. He has a better chance of getting his views out to tha Catalan people if he's not locked up.

[Otern]

Going to Brussels is the safe way for the president as an individual, but it hurts the Catalan independence movement immensely.

Not sure about that. He has a better chance of getting his views out to tha Catalan people if he's not locked up.

If he truly had the support of his people, he could stay in Catalonia, either by hiding, or protected by armed Catalans.

Or he could go to a Spanish prison, and turn into a political prisoner/sort of martyr in Spain, which would help the Catalan independence movement.

There are situations where a government in exile makes sense, but this is not one of them. It will just hurt Catalonia.