Guys, I think we need this

[SilverEagle]

All I can say is that I'm about to smack the shit out of my millennial nephew, maybe he's Gen Y, he's 20. Holy fuck that kid has thrown away every opportunity sent his way. He decided to not go to college, a smart move for him because he would've flunked out, but every job he gets he quits. He had a job at a local candle factory and he called off at least three times per month until he got fired. Then he got hired at a Walmart distribution center. The job paid $16.50 and hour plus benefits and he went for his orientation day then he got an email stating that they thanked him for his interest in the job but he was not selected for hire. We get this news while we are a family vacation and my sister in law is all upset. I told her maybe it was a mistake and it was a mass email sent out to all that applicants. I told her don't worry about and lets enjoy our time at the beach. The next day she walked down to the beach and told her sister, my wife, that it was indeed an email sent in error. Everything is fine until we get home and found out what really happened. My nephew had a party at his parents house, slept in and never went to the orientation day and lost the job. Then he got hired at an oil field getting paid $14.00 an hour. He did work that job for about 2 months then quit. Now he's looking for another job but he won't apply for fast food because he feels it's below him. That little shit finally got kicked out of the house, hell that should've been done two years ago. My wife asked if I could get him into a local mill that I have connections with and I said absofuckinlutely NOT! Yeah I could get him into a local mill that's union and pays $25.00 hr plus benefits but he'll just quit in a month or less. Oh and all of this happened since Dec 2016.

[Speaker to Animals]

Sounds like your nephew got caught up in the Ron Paul cult.

[C-Mag]

One of our big problems is the social engineers are pushing the age of actual adulthood back. That age when you are responsible for yourself. Now kids are legally on parents insurance until 26. Kids almost can't work until they are 18, etc. If we want to raise kids to be adults we have to give them some adult type responsibilities before their late 20s.

[Speaker to Animals]

One of our big problems is the social engineers are pushing the age of actual adulthood back. That age when you are responsible for yourself. Now kids are legally on parents insurance until 26. Kids almost can't work until they are 18, etc. If we want to raise kids to be adults we have to give them some adult type responsibilities before their late 20s.

In truth, it probably should be pushed out to at least 21. Abolish government high schools and just put kids from around age 15 into either trade schools or university programs.

[C-Mag]

One of our big problems is the social engineers are pushing the age of actual adulthood back. That age when you are responsible for yourself. Now kids are legally on parents insurance until 26. Kids almost can't work until they are 18, etc. If we want to raise kids to be adults we have to give them some adult type responsibilities before their late 20s.

In truth, it probably should be pushed out to at least 21. Abolish government high schools and just put kids from around age 15 into either trade schools or university programs.

I've thought about this. I think the age should be 17. Give them a year with parents as an adult.

[Speaker to Animals]

One of our big problems is the social engineers are pushing the age of actual adulthood back. That age when you are responsible for yourself. Now kids are legally on parents insurance until 26. Kids almost can't work until they are 18, etc. If we want to raise kids to be adults we have to give them some adult type responsibilities before their late 20s.

In truth, it probably should be pushed out to at least 21. Abolish government high schools and just put kids from around age 15 into either trade schools or university programs.

I've thought about this. I think the age should be 17. Give them a year with parents as an adult.

Disagree based on common experience. Kids act like assholes as freshmen and juniors because they are just kids. The age of majority was 21 for many centuries. I think societies everywhere arrived at that number through trial and error, and they all just ferreted out the truth.

The problem is that we also assume that kids should never be given responsibility. In the 19th century, the age of majority in America was 21. College freshmen were as young as twelve years old. While there were twelve year olds attending universities, other twelve year olds were responsible for farms and other work. They had real responsibilities on their shoulders. By the time a boy reached age 21, he was a competent adult, skilled in a trade or graduated from college with his undergraduate degree. I think where you might be going wrong is the assumption that pushing the age of majority out to 21 means we treat teens like children until they reach 21. It does not. At all.

In my humble opinion, boys should reach age 21 as either a journeyman in a trade or with an undergraduate degree. In either case, they are prepared to start careers and raise families. The reason why you see kids fucking around in their twenties is that they are supposed to start families at that time. If they have a career starting at that age, and no debt, then they have the best opportunity to build a family, pay off a home and some land, and raise children in the optimal environment (stable family).

Of course, this implies we win the culture war and stamp out the degeneracy that has arisen since the 1960s. I don't know how possible that is until the degenerate left eventually selects themselves out of existence over time. So maybe it's just a moot point now.

[C-Mag]

I'm aware of the traditional 21 years, and not really opposed to it. But I like the idea of kids at 17 being legal adults, able to drink alcohol, etc while still living at home and under parent guidance.

[Speaker to Animals]

I'm aware of the traditional 21 years, and not really opposed to it. But I like the idea of kids at 17 being legal adults, able to drink alcohol, etc while still living at home and under parent guidance.

You can drink alcohol under a parents guidance at age 17 last I checked.

Calling them legal adults is a huge stretch, though. I think calling anybody younger than 21 an "adult" is pretty ridiculous, really. How many people do you interact with between 18 and 21? Did you not ever visit the barracks?

[Fife]

Abolish government high schools and just put kids from around age 15 into either trade schools or university programs.

You started strong in that sentence; really strong.

As to the rest, why do we need to "put" kids anywhere? Will kids sit on their fat-asses texting grandma for more grape soda down the hall without us "putting" them somewhere, or because of it? The real world will not abide that kind of sloth for long, not without the assistance of the state, anyhoo.

To-wit; the reason the universities suck donkey-dick nowadays, and are saddling our children with untenable future expense, is because the rent-seekers are, right now-this very moment, doing the "putting."

[SuburbanFarmer]

All I can say is that I'm about to smack the shit out of my millennial nephew, maybe he's Gen Y, he's 20. Holy fuck that kid has thrown away every opportunity sent his way. He decided to not go to college, a smart move for him because he would've flunked out, but every job he gets he quits. He had a job at a local candle factory and he called off at least three times per month until he got fired. Then he got hired at a Walmart distribution center. The job paid $16.50 and hour plus benefits and he went for his orientation day then he got an email stating that they thanked him for his interest in the job but he was not selected for hire. We get this news while we are a family vacation and my sister in law is all upset. I told her maybe it was a mistake and it was a mass email sent out to all that applicants. I told her don't worry about and lets enjoy our time at the beach. The next day she walked down to the beach and told her sister, my wife, that it was indeed an email sent in error. Everything is fine until we get home and found out what really happened. My nephew had a party at his parents house, slept in and never went to the orientation day and lost the job. Then he got hired at an oil field getting paid $14.00 an hour. He did work that job for about 2 months then quit. Now he's looking for another job but he won't apply for fast food because he feels it's below him. That little shit finally got kicked out of the house, hell that should've been done two years ago. My wife asked if I could get him into a local mill that I have connections with and I said absofuckinlutely NOT! Yeah I could get him into a local mill that's union and pays $25.00 hr plus benefits but he'll just quit in a month or less. Oh and all of this happened since Dec 2016.

Sounds like me at that age. I didn't get my shit together until age 30. I realized how destructive Florida was for me, and jumped town when a friend announced they were leaving. I got to Ohio, realized I was on my own, and got my shit together quick.

He probably just needs independence, to realize how fucked he can be, on his own. Either way, it's too late for his parents to teach him how to be a man - that time is passed.