Why Family Values Are Economic Values

[The Conservative]

I'm completely shocked that grumps has come out against a reliable path to success with a screed about, "the game's rigged. there's nothing you can do. it's just correlation. success is impossible."

totally shocked.

never saw it coming.

ever.

It's because of my weak moral character, no doubt. Where do I pick up my welfare checks? I'm tired of working.

Ask Obama.

[SuburbanFarmer]

It's true that there are issues of personal moral failings, bad decisions, and so forth. God knows I fucked up by marrying a chick with borderline personality disorder. That's on me. But the incentives the state creates to destroy marriages is a much bigger issue. So is the way welfare is setup. So is the way our society now forces people to wait very long to have children, if at all, because of huge debts incurred just so you don't lose your place in the economic hierarchy (i.e. fall from the middle class to the working poor, which is all to easy nowadays).

Agree for the most part. Our society strongly discourages procreation - and now you have the answer to why whites are becoming a minority in America.

It's not because of unchecked hordes of immigrants swarming over the border. Our incentives are fucked up.

It's both, and those hordes of immigrants are part of the issue. To remain in the middle class, you have to get a college degree now. That means you take on a huge debt. But lo and behold, the government just simultaneously facilitated the offhshoring of jobs to the third world and glutted the labor market with H1B and illegal immigrants. So here you have this degree and (if you can get a job) a much lower salary because of it. It now takes you even longer to pay that debt off, postponing children and possibly marriage altogether.

Meanwhile the government and the now marxist universities are giving immigrants (including illegal immigrants) free tuition, which white students have to pay through even higher tuition and taxes. We even incentivize these immigrants to have children with our welfare policies even as we create disincentives for whites to have babies.

Seriously think about what you are saying here. Immigration is a key component in the soft genocide against whites.

Once again, we find ourselves confounded by the term "illegal immigrant" covering both border jumpers, and H1Bs.

One I could care less about, and the other is a real economic problem. But which one do you suppose the Great Texas Wall is supposed to keep out? And which one have the media and politicians been directed to spur us against by the Corporate Masters? Hmmmm...


Also, not responding to this "white genocide" nonsense again. It's about money, and nothing else.

[Speaker to Animals]

No one forces any color or race of "father" from a "family" if they are law abiding citizens. The only time a family is broken apart by choice of both parties in a lot of cases is divorce. Otherwise if you have made an individual choice to do something stupid that got the attention of the police or worse.

Black men aren't targeted because of race, the only people that think that are liberal hypocrites.

Boy will you be surprised if you ever land family court.

My wife is from a divorced family, I speak out of experience.

Okay, guy. I hope you don't find out the truth the hard way. Man, you are dense, though.

[Speaker to Animals]

For those of median intelligence and up..

https://thefatherlessgeneration.wordpre ... tatistics/

That's the core stats surrounding this issue. It's actually really fucking bad right now. The fatherlessness in the millennial generation is almost as bad as it has been in the inner city black communities. It's going to be a big problem when these kids get older. Yooge problem.

What really pisses me off is how so many people default to blaming men for what really is the consequences of women's decisions. When you hear some single mom talking about how dad abandoned them.. more than likely she's flat out lying and alienated the father. The authorities will do nothing to uphold his visitation rights. She can essentially get away with fraud, perjury, and worse in a family court with impunity.

I am not saying men don't share in the blame, but most of it falls on women, and the blame men share is in facilitating the ruin of other men (i.e. male judges and lawyers, police, etc).

Nor would men be very different if they had the entire government weaponized for their whims. It just happens to be women who benefit and women who have all the unjust privileges that lead to these outcomes.

[Speaker to Animals]

Here are some more ugly statistics:

Forty percent of children growing up in America today are being raised without their fathers.

(Wade, Horn and Busy, Fathers, Marriage and Welfare Reform, Hudson Institute Executive Briefing, 1997)

About 40% of children who do not live with their biological father have not seen him during the past 12 months; more than half of them have never been in his home and 26% of those fathers live in a different state than their children. (Father Facts, Fourth Edition (2002), National Fatherhood Initiative)

https://www.thespruce.com/children-of-d ... cs-1270390



This about England, but their situation is similar to our own:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/relation ... thers.html

Fortunately, it's starting to change in England. The government has recognized this as child abuse is beginning to charge the mothers who do this. We need to adopt similar policies here in America ASAP.



With respect to how common it is..

Parental alienation is more common than is often assumed: Fidler and Bala (2010) report both an increasing incidence and increased judicial findings of parental alienation; they report estimates of parental alienation in 11 to 15 percent of divorces involving children; and Bernet et al. (2010) estimate that about 1 percent of children and adolescents in North America experience parental alienation.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/co ... n-children


Personally, I think that's an extremely underestimated figure, but frightening enough.


It's not just pre-marital sex, cohabitation, and children our of wedlock that are the problem. Women blowing up marriages is equally as bad and is a huge problem that needs to be addressed. But all of these problems are caused by the state incentivizing personal moral failings.

[Fife]

Taking this into consideration, does it make more sense to focus like a laser beam on issues of race and racism, or might it be wiser to consider if our policies are subsidizing (and thereby encouraging) the destruction of the nuclear family, particularly in certain communities?

Destroying the family is not a bug, but a feature to many of the pointy-heads dreamily gazing at their navels.

I had to think for a minute on it DB, but I was reminded of this TW episode from last fall.

http://tomwoods.com/ep-733-thoughts-on- ... tarianism/

The antagonist article of the ep: http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/pro ... es/6437058

[C-Mag]

Let's take a hypothetical poor person - a white girl named SueAnn.

SueAnn grows up in a trailer park, dad left or beat the shit out of her. Maybe her uncles took a turn in her bed, you know how it is. Brother is smoking meth at 16, steals the family tv, gets arrested.

When our girl hits 18, who is she supposed to marry? She has no marketable skills, barely any education, no social breeding, and nothing to offer a good man. Where does she work, McDonald's? That should lead to success. Highschool - hell, maybe she graduated somehow, but that's the end of the "prosperity chain".

Let's say she's a real go-getter and goes to college on loans, etc. She's a fish out of water, surrounded by PC culture, with a background in the dirt. She gets isolated, frustrated, and drops out.

No wait, Commie Cat! She's a trooper, and does it anyway!!

Ok, well let's pretend that she somehow gets through all of those disadvantages and graduates college. What's next? Job interviews with a trailer park drawl and style don't lead to the BigTime, and she probably majored in nursing anyway (to help take care of her diabetic parents).

So, she gets a job at the local clinic, and pokes needles all day. That's not bad, but she's still single. Time to get a man! And she's back to what she knows - slumming at the trailer park, until some Joe Nowhere plants the seeds of her destruction. Single mama can't work, so back she goes to the trailer, and the cycle begins anew.....

If only she'd really done the HARD STUFF to get ahead, amirite? What a dumb POS she is, for not doing more.

:unfurl the glorious feathers, and drape them around yourself in glory:

Thanks for that window into your mind BroGrump

I really understand you much better, your prejudices and intolerance really comes through clearly.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Let's take a hypothetical poor person - a white girl named SueAnn.

SueAnn grows up in a trailer park, dad left or beat the shit out of her. Maybe her uncles took a turn in her bed, you know how it is. Brother is smoking meth at 16, steals the family tv, gets arrested.

When our girl hits 18, who is she supposed to marry? She has no marketable skills, barely any education, no social breeding, and nothing to offer a good man. Where does she work, McDonald's? That should lead to success. Highschool - hell, maybe she graduated somehow, but that's the end of the "prosperity chain".

Let's say she's a real go-getter and goes to college on loans, etc. She's a fish out of water, surrounded by PC culture, with a background in the dirt. She gets isolated, frustrated, and drops out.

No wait, Commie Cat! She's a trooper, and does it anyway!!

Ok, well let's pretend that she somehow gets through all of those disadvantages and graduates college. What's next? Job interviews with a trailer park drawl and style don't lead to the BigTime, and she probably majored in nursing anyway (to help take care of her diabetic parents).

So, she gets a job at the local clinic, and pokes needles all day. That's not bad, but she's still single. Time to get a man! And she's back to what she knows - slumming at the trailer park, until some Joe Nowhere plants the seeds of her destruction. Single mama can't work, so back she goes to the trailer, and the cycle begins anew.....

If only she'd really done the HARD STUFF to get ahead, amirite? What a dumb POS she is, for not doing more.

:unfurl the glorious feathers, and drape them around yourself in glory:

Thanks for that window into your mind BroGrump

I really understand you much better, your prejudices and intolerance really comes through clearly.

If you say so. I have sympathy for white trash. They didn't all choose to be that way.

[Ex-California]

Let's take a hypothetical poor person - a white girl named SueAnn.

SueAnn grows up in a trailer park, dad left or beat the shit out of her. Maybe her uncles took a turn in her bed, you know how it is. Brother is smoking meth at 16, steals the family tv, gets arrested.

When our girl hits 18, who is she supposed to marry? She has no marketable skills, barely any education, no social breeding, and nothing to offer a good man. Where does she work, McDonald's? That should lead to success. Highschool - hell, maybe she graduated somehow, but that's the end of the "prosperity chain".

Let's say she's a real go-getter and goes to college on loans, etc. She's a fish out of water, surrounded by PC culture, with a background in the dirt. She gets isolated, frustrated, and drops out.

No wait, Commie Cat! She's a trooper, and does it anyway!!

Ok, well let's pretend that she somehow gets through all of those disadvantages and graduates college. What's next? Job interviews with a trailer park drawl and style don't lead to the BigTime, and she probably majored in nursing anyway (to help take care of her diabetic parents).

So, she gets a job at the local clinic, and pokes needles all day. That's not bad, but she's still single. Time to get a man! And she's back to what she knows - slumming at the trailer park, until some Joe Nowhere plants the seeds of her destruction. Single mama can't work, so back she goes to the trailer, and the cycle begins anew.....

If only she'd really done the HARD STUFF to get ahead, amirite? What a dumb POS she is, for not doing more.

:unfurl the glorious feathers, and drape them around yourself in glory:

Thanks for that window into your mind BroGrump

I really understand you much better, your prejudices and intolerance really comes through clearly.

That analogy would have worked better if you used a man and talked about how child support would work with debt to ruin him. A trailer park girl, if good looking, can easily marry up and get rid of those student loans and everything else

[Viktorthepirate]

So what policies would you enact to increase "family values"?