Haven't been around for a while...

[Martin Hash]

I don't know... She posted here, after all. Most of the brainwashed types think everyone else is stupid, evil & not worth talking to.

[StCapps]

I don't know... She posted here, after all. Most of the brainwashed types think everyone else is stupid, evil & not worth talking to.

That's what she thinks. She looks down her nose at anyone who ever defends Trump when she won't, and now that she has returned she's even more sure of her intellectual superiority in comparison to these folks. Someone needs to knock her off that pedestal she has put herself on.

[ooky]

I've been marching (every protest I've been to is full of friendly, real -not paid, passionate and PEACEfUL protestors from all walks of life, btw), calling my elected officials regularly, and heavily supporting organizations that I think are critically important right now. Like PP, the NYT and WA post, ACLU, and programs for homeless children.
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I guess that makes moments like the other day, when my 6-yo was grabbing my butt and I asked her what she was doing, and she said "Don't worry mommy, I'm not doing it in a bad way like Trump", not wholly horrifying. Anyway, still hope you all are well.

This is a sock puppet right? Ooky always seemed pretty reasonable on the DCF... but I can't imagine she explained "grab em by the pussy" to her daughter so the daughter could make Trump jokes later. Also, I can't imagine anyone describing wapo as a "critically important organization". Has to be fake.

Nope, its really me.

I did not set out to teach my daughter about pussy grabbing, but she did come to her father and I with a lot of questions both before and after the election. Its out there, and kids hear stuff and talk to each other too. She came with me to vote and they had a thing for kids to "vote" as well - in our district, those kids voted at something over 90% against Trump. Some of what she asked about has made me feel like crying...so I am very appreciative she's already developing a wicked sense of humor about this and other things, as laughter is absolutely the best medicine.

I do think the Washington Post, among other news media, is critically important right now. We need well-funded investigative journalism as badly as we ever have. I do not agree with those here who consider the NYT and WaPost fake news or irretrievably biased.

[PartyOf5]

So someone who's been living in their own bubble comes back here to bitch about the MHF being a bubble. This place may lean towards Trump, but it's not a bubble. If you have an actual topic you'd like to discuss, please start a real thread.

[Calculus Man]

in our district, those kids voted at something over 90% against Trump.

So, in other words, people who are incapable of reason agree with you. You must be very proud.

[ooky]

I could go on, but I honestly don't figure I'll change any minds in this powerful ... bubble. But i noticed that there still are some on who are reasonable, and I did want you all to hear that, after being in despair over bush in 2000 but pretty much on my own in terms of being really concerned, I have never seen such widespread political engagement from such a wide section of the left. We are not whining or ginning up stuff to be upset about or asking for his tax returns to be released for no reason or casting a very critical eye on all the lying about Russia to avoid noticing how much he is "winning". People are truly and deeply unhappy, and it has nothing to do with with what democrat politicians tell us to care about, and right now, a lot of people intend to resist and hold *their* feet to the fire so they will resist too. I guess that makes moments like the other day, when my 6-yo was grabbing my butt and I asked her what she was doing, and she said "Don't worry mommy, I'm not doing it in a bad way like Trump", not wholly horrifying. Anyway, still hope you all are well.

Welcome back Ooky.

Please, break us out of our bubble. Give us 5 or 10 reasons why we should be marching with you. Please, bring a strong argument. Some things we are going to just see differently. You talk about Tax Returns. Federal Law States that Tax Returns are private. If Trump doesn't not wish to release them, that is his right and we shouldn't hold it against him. The whole innocent until proven guilty thing.

Hi Carlus. I'll have to think about this, it could take some time to get enough free time together to write an 5-10 point well spoken argument against Trump and Trumpism. I certainly wrote many such posts before the election, and I have a lot more to say now. But this first message is just letting you guys know I'm still here, based on what I read yesterday I don't think like you all, a LOT of us don't think like you all, and what it's like on my side.

Regarding the tax returns, we know he's beholden to and in debt with and tied to powerful actors in all sorts of countries important to our foreign diplomacy. But we know almost nothing about the particulars. I agree with the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington that he is ripe for unprecedented conflicts of interest and unconstitutional acceptance of payment for personal gain from foreign leaders, even if he had the best of intentions, which based on his and his family's own comments I don't believe he does. If he had fully divested from his business, which yes, would have cost him a TON of money, then the returns would not be as important. That would have also illuminated some character-based traits about understanding how this job is a public service job that is vastly more important than optimization of his own personal finances. But he set it up this way, and he wants to have his cake and eat it too, all while telling all of us to just trust him. He's given us absolutely no reason to trust him, and a lot of reason to see him as a chronically ethically compromised liar.

[Xenophon]

I could go on, but I honestly don't figure I'll change any minds in this powerful ... bubble. But i noticed that there still are some on who are reasonable, and I did want you all to hear that, after being in despair over bush in 2000 but pretty much on my own in terms of being really concerned, I have never seen such widespread political engagement from such a wide section of the left. We are not whining or ginning up stuff to be upset about or asking for his tax returns to be released for no reason or casting a very critical eye on all the lying about Russia to avoid noticing how much he is "winning". People are truly and deeply unhappy, and it has nothing to do with with what democrat politicians tell us to care about, and right now, a lot of people intend to resist and hold *their* feet to the fire so they will resist too. I guess that makes moments like the other day, when my 6-yo was grabbing my butt and I asked her what she was doing, and she said "Don't worry mommy, I'm not doing it in a bad way like Trump", not wholly horrifying. Anyway, still hope you all are well.

Welcome back Ooky.

Please, break us out of our bubble. Give us 5 or 10 reasons why we should be marching with you. Please, bring a strong argument. Some things we are going to just see differently. You talk about Tax Returns. Federal Law States that Tax Returns are private. If Trump doesn't not wish to release them, that is his right and we shouldn't hold it against him. The whole innocent until proven guilty thing.

Hi Carlus. I'll have to think about this, it could take some time to get enough free time together to write an 5-10 point well spoken argument against Trump and Trumpism. I certainly wrote many such posts before the election, and I have a lot more to say now. But this first message is just letting you guys know I'm still here, based on what I read yesterday I don't think like you all, a LOT of us don't think like you all, and what it's like on my side.

Regarding the tax returns, we know he's beholden to and in debt with and tied to powerful actors in all sorts of countries important to our foreign diplomacy. But we know almost nothing about the particulars. I agree with the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington that he is ripe for unprecedented conflicts of interest and unconstitutional acceptance of payment for personal gain from foreign leaders, even if he had the best of intentions, which based on his and his family's own comments I don't believe he does. If he had fully divested from his business, which yes, would have cost him a TON of money, then the returns would not be as important. That would have also illuminated some character-based traits about understanding how this job is a public service job that is vastly more important than optimization of his own personal finances. But he set it up this way, and he wants to have his cake and eat it too, all while telling all of us to just trust him. He's given us absolutely no reason to trust him, and a lot of reason to see him as a chronically ethically compromised liar.

[adwinistrator]

Nope, its really me.

Welcome back ooky!

Hope you stick around and join in some of the discussions!

While I doubt many here will have their minds changed regarding their political worldview, there still some quality debate on specific issues, policy, and trends.

[Okeefenokee]

Probably rant. Linguistic style is dead on.

I figured rant killed himself last November.

Don't know about that, but I'm sure November 9 was very hard on him. He was the primary guy that was convinced that " President Hillary Clinton is Inevitable "

I miss those days.

[ooky]

We might as well live in different universes and I think you're in cloud cuckoo land while you think the same about us here.

This is the true insight.

The gist is, since we're crazy, we need to take direction from the sane people. No alliance is even offered.

I don't know how we get back to that alliance, but I am here. I do see this government acting like they have a mandate for total, one-sided ideological rule when the executive lost the popular vote by 3 million - second time this has occurred to our side in less than 20 years, by the way, and I can't even imagine that conservatives would have handled that happening to them even once. And gerrymandering means that even when we have more overall votes for the congress, we can't win the majority. Over 50% of the country is being told, with extreme relish (see Strange earlier on this thread) straight up we have no voice and we don't count and should shut up if we can't get down with the simple messages and cult of personality coming out of his continuing campaign style rallies. Even in areas like the red counties Strange threw up at me earlier, the insinuation is that there are no liberals in those red areas, when that's just simply not true at all.

The gap persists in 2016 in many Southern states, according to a Facing South analysis of the election results. In West Virginia, for example, one-third of the state's voters cast a ballot for a Democratic candidate, yet there are no Democrats among the state's three representatives. Meanwhile in South Carolina, nearly four in 10 votes in U.S. House races were cast for a Democrat, yet only one out of the state's seven representatives (14 percent) is a Democrat....In 2014, 44 percent of North Carolinians voted for a Democratic representative, yet only three out of 13 (23 percent) of the state's representatives were Democrats. In 2016, the share of North Carolina voters casting ballots for Democrats increased to 47 percent, yet the partisan balance was unchanged: three Democrats and 10 Republicans.