That's the end result of the DCF. The left arguments lost in the long run and we were radicalized.C-Mag wrote:Smitty-48 wrote:If you're just figuring out now, that Hollywood Liberal Panty Waist Left Wing Media personality Dan Carlin was always fronting about being against the Establishment, and was always going to cuck out unless the revolt happened to come from the Hollywood Liberal Panty Waist Left Wing side of the spectrum, more fool you.
I said it as soon as I showed up on the DCF ten years ago, when it was mostly Left wingers, and they all of course insisted that they were "not Left wing", which is or course total bullshit, undercover bitch hacks in the house, including the Undercover Bitch Hack in Chief, Dan Carlin.
Over the years the DCF became increasingly Right wing, until the point where Hollywood Liberal Panty Waist Left Wing Media Darling Dan Carlin couldn't even allow himself to be associated with it, lest it offend his Hipster Faggot Millenial fanbase.
You're surprised that Carlin cucked out because the revolt came from the GOP and nationalist Right instead of the Left Wing Hipster Faggots? I mean, ca'mon.
I admit that it took me time to understand who Dan was politically. I had researched his background, so I had presumptions. But he does such a good job of selling the 'Middle of the Road' average guy thing, I bought into it. But when he really had to defend himself he showed his true colors.
A decade ago DCF looked like a meeting of Eugene Debs, Karl Marx, LBJ and Margaret Sanger.
Over time they were defeated and retreated because they were beaten by sound arguments. Overtime all their bullshit policies and Utopian Theories were destroyed, they had no new ideas, just spouting off old tired rhetoric.
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PartyOf5 wrote:I caught most of a documentary on Showtime last night called Trumped. It was basically a recap of his path from declaring his candidacy through election night. For a while it seemed generally unbiased. But the filmmakers true colors were displayed in full effect during election night. Seems these guys were fine talking about Trump in a semi-positive way when he was insulting the GOP field, but the election night chapter ended in the filmmakers literally breaking down in tears as they came to the realization that Trump had won. As long as they thought he wasn't going to win, they were fine playing the part of the dutiful filmmaker recording history. Once he won, it was tears and swearing.
So this wasn't really a documentary at all, but more of a propaganda tool disguised as a documentary. They didn't even try and make he filmmakers look even somewhat impartial at that point.
Oh, I'm gonna have to watch that.
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Yep, and they will never admit that they lost intellectually in a war of ideas. And we had some great dust ups.Speaker to Animals wrote: That's the end result of the DCF. The left arguments lost in the long run and we were radicalized.
I went round for round with Dan on how Fascism was not a Right Wing philosophy, but instead a collectivist brother to Communism. In the end Dan left the discussion saying, well Fascism is Right Wing, it just is.
I remember Dan insisting we should have stayed out of WWII, even after Pearl Harbor.
I remember the great, Jimmy Stewart is a War Crimminal thread.
Then there were other things Dan feared that never materialized that showed his view of the world. He went on and on about how making two shows about negative aspects of the Catholic Church and how scared he was there would be this backlash. Nope, narry a word from anyone. I don't think he ever got that Christians and Catholics are not the violent reactionaries the left makes them out to be.
Of course I'm still waiting on those critical shows on the early development of Islam. Meh, maybe that will be the next Hardcore History out.
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The next HH will be called "Scary Rednecks" and will consist of Dan's independent analysis of an Oregon trailer park, as seen from the bushes through binoculars.C-Mag wrote:Yep, and they will never admit that they lost intellectually in a war of ideas. And we had some great dust ups.Speaker to Animals wrote: That's the end result of the DCF. The left arguments lost in the long run and we were radicalized.
I went round for round with Dan on how Fascism was not a Right Wing philosophy, but instead a collectivist brother to Communism. In the end Dan left the discussion saying, well Fascism is Right Wing, it just is.
I remember Dan insisting we should have stayed out of WWII, even after Pearl Harbor.
I remember the great, Jimmy Stewart is a War Crimminal thread.
Then there were other things Dan feared that never materialized that showed his view of the world. He went on and on about how making two shows about negative aspects of the Catholic Church and how scared he was there would be this backlash. Nope, narry a word from anyone. I don't think he ever got that Christians and Catholics are not the violent reactionaries the left makes them out to be.
Of course I'm still waiting on those critical shows on the early development of Islam. Meh, maybe that will be the next Hardcore History out.
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Right now Trump is holding a Press Conference and absolutely destroying the press. He's just out there calling them on their bullshit. You've never seen anything like it from a political leader before.
Trump went Mongol on them. He's crushing the enemy, enslaving their kids and raping their women.
Trump went Mongol on them. He's crushing the enemy, enslaving their kids and raping their women.
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Well, I think that the need to tell ones self pretty stories is a bit stronger on the right. My Facebook feed is convincing me other wise, but you still have religion as the tie breaker. And sure enough, here you guys are trumpeting your absolute victory in the war of ideas. Everybody knows you are right, but they are afraid to admit it or something.C-Mag wrote:Yep, and they will never admit that they lost intellectually in a war of ideas. And we had some great dust ups.Speaker to Animals wrote: That's the end result of the DCF. The left arguments lost in the long run and we were radicalized.
I went round for round with Dan on how Fascism was not a Right Wing philosophy, but instead a collectivist brother to Communism. In the end Dan left the discussion saying, well Fascism is Right Wing, it just is.
I didn't see that argument, but he was obviously right. Most likely, you have some personal definition of "right wing" that spits out the results you want.
Fascism does have a a populist element, and a baroque spirit of nationalism, which is a collective impulse. You are part of something greater than yourself, like a nation of spectacular military might. But these are common on the right. Trump's into that stuff, I'm sure we agree.Right-wing politics hold that certain social orders and hierarchies are inevitable, natural, normal, or desirable,[1][2][3] typically defending this position on the basis of natural law, economics or tradition.[4](p693, 721)[5][6][7][8][9][page needed] Hierarchy and inequality may be viewed as natural results of traditional social differences [10][11] or the competition in market economies.[12][13] The term right-wing can generally refer to "the conservative or reactionary section of a political party or system."[14]
Is fascism anti-hierarchy?
You could argue that Communism has always resulted in rigid hierarchies of power, making it right wing in practice, if not theory. But I think in both cases, you are just modifying horse shoe theory to make yourself feel good.
What I think really happens is, malignant narcissists and psychopaths relentlessly claw their way to the top of any system that allows it.
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Xenophon wrote:The next HH will be called "Scary Rednecks" and will consist of Dan's independent analysis of an Oregon trailer park, as seen from the bushes through binoculars.
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Hmm, that's some heavily rose tinted spectacles you got there Carlus.C-Mag wrote:Right now Trump is holding a Press Conference and absolutely destroying the press. He's just out there calling them on their bullshit. You've never seen anything like it from a political leader before.
Trump went Mongol on them. He's crushing the enemy, enslaving their kids and raping their women.
What I saw was a desperate attempt to cover the chaos that is the first month of his presidency.
That time he conceded his oft-repeated line about having the "biggest electoral margin since Ronald Reagan" is a lie
NBC reporter Peter Alexander: "You said today that you had the biggest electoral margin since Ronald Reagan – 304, 306 electoral votes. In fact, President Obama got 365 in 2008."
Trump: "Well, I'm talking about Republicans."
Alexander: "President Obama 333, George H.W. Bush 426 when he won. So why should Americans trust..."
Trump: "I was given that information, I was just given it. We had a very big margin."
Alexander: "I guess the question is: Why should Americans trust you when you accuse the information they receive as being fake, when you're providing information that is not accurate?"
Trump: "Well, I was given that information. I was, actually, I've seen that information around. But it was a very substantial victory. Do you agree with that?"
Alexander: "You're the president."
That time he mused about attacking the Russian vessel lurking off the coast of Connecticut
"The greatest thing I could do [politically] is shoot that ship that's 30 miles offshore right out of the water."
"We had a very smooth rollout of the travel ban; we had a bad court."
Fox news even called it "crazy""I'm not ranting and raving. I'm just telling you you're dishonest people."
Others called it "unhinged"
For legal reasons, we are not threatening to destroy U.S. government property with our glorious medieval siege engine. But if we wanted to, we could. But we won’t. But we could.
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Donald Trump is: The President"UNHINGED" - Rolling Stine
"Stinging" - BBC
"Jaw Dropping" - Mirror
"Combatative, Freewheeling" - Vox
"Up until an hour ago, the scariest thing I'd ever watched was Psycho." - J.K. Rowling
"An amazing moment in history" - CNN
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Da fuq with J.K. fucking Rowling all week?
Is Jay-Z too busy to give some commentary?
Is Jay-Z too busy to give some commentary?