North Korea fires another missile...What will the fall of North Korea look like?

[SuburbanFarmer]

Nonsense. Of course the Chinese are backing them. Otherwise we would have ended this silliness decades ago.

And it's not like they have an arsenal at hand anyway. They aren't part of the test ban treaty, so if Lil Kimmie wanted to scare the south, he'd shooting them off in the Indian Ocean every month.

All sound and fury signifying a Chinese proxy state.

[Penner]

Nonsense. Of course the Chinese are backing them. Otherwise we would have ended this silliness decades ago.

And it's not like they have an arsenal at hand anyway. They aren't part of the test ban treaty, so if Lil Kimmie wanted to scare the south, he'd shooting them off in the Indian Ocean every month.

All sound and fury signifying a Chinese proxy state.

Well, I would say that China, for the most part, is just looking the other way when it comes to NK's behavior but they also don't want a nuclear war (it's basically a shit sandwich for all and China surely doesn't want their biggest trading partner to get a nuke from NK because Lil' Kim was having a bad day).

[TheReal_ND]

Two posts were made here on this page before mine. Fairly certain they are worthless.

[Smitty-48]

Well, I would say that China, for the most part, is just looking the other way when it comes to NK's behavior...

I think the Chinese would like for America to believe that, because for the Chinese to admit that "looking the other way" is really just cover for the fact that they actually have little to no influence whatsoever with the DPRK, and in fact find it to be as opaque to them as it is to everyone else, would not only be a loss of Face, but would also mean that America would have no reason to deal through Beijing as a supposed intermediary.

"North Korea Chinese Proxy" is facile, a closer examination of the DPRK would indicate that it actually answers to no one and certainly not the Chinese, who the North Koreans actually despise, China is in fact their most hated enemy, and always has been.

[Smitty-48]

Nonsense. Of course the Chinese are backing them. Otherwise we would have ended this silliness decades ago.

And it's not like they have an arsenal at hand anyway. They aren't part of the test ban treaty, so if Lil Kimmie wanted to scare the south, he'd shooting them off in the Indian Ocean every month.

All sound and fury signifying a Chinese proxy state.

This is the same wrong headed assumption that America made with the North Vietnamese; "all them slopey eyed commies is working together"; it was called the Domino Theory.

[Smitty-48]

Might seem counterintuitive to Americans, with CNN chattering on day and night about the "North Korean Menace", but I actually don't think the North Koreans fear the United States, I think they know that the United States would not dare attack them, I don't think they percieve the threat as being an American invasion from the South, I think they view the threat as being from across the Yalu, and as such, those North Korean nuclear weapons are not pointed at Washington, they are rather in fact; pointed at Beijing.

Bear in mind, the MIC has an entrenched interest in breathlessly promoting the NK's as a "nuclear ballistic missile threat to the CONUS!", in order to prop up the fifty billion dollar Mid Course Intercept BMD system in Fairbanks Alaska, and that is why CNN does the bidding of their MIC masters in disseminating this scenario, BMD a boondoggle searching for a justification, North Korea their only real prospect, but the weapons that the North Koreans are deploying, are really better suited to detering Beijing, not Washington.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Nonsense. Of course the Chinese are backing them. Otherwise we would have ended this silliness decades ago.

And it's not like they have an arsenal at hand anyway. They aren't part of the test ban treaty, so if Lil Kimmie wanted to scare the south, he'd shooting them off in the Indian Ocean every month.

All sound and fury signifying a Chinese proxy state.

This is the same wrong headed assumption that America made with the North Vietnamese; "all them slopey eyed commies is working together"; it was called the Domino Theory.

Ermmm... half a million Chinese troops would beg to differ, when they charged in to defend the Glorious Revolution.

China has been involved in every stage of peace talks with the North Koreans ever since. You think that's just because they're nearby? We can't even talk to them unless Big Brother Ping is in the room.

You love discussing how nukes are no deterrent to Ivan taking Eastern Europe - do you suppose our military planners think any differently? We could take them down in 30 minutes with air power on Kimmie alone. The rest of the country would gratefully surrender on his last heartbeat.

[TheReal_ND]

Nonsense. Of course the Chinese are backing them. Otherwise we would have ended this silliness decades ago.

And it's not like they have an arsenal at hand anyway. They aren't part of the test ban treaty, so if Lil Kimmie wanted to scare the south, he'd shooting them off in the Indian Ocean every month.

All sound and fury signifying a Chinese proxy state.

This is the same wrong headed assumption that America made with the North Vietnamese; "all them slopey eyed commies is working together"; it was called the Domino Theory.

Underrated post.

[Speaker to Animals]

China certainly does not want a bunch of North Korean lunatics launching a nuclear missile at somebody, which results in a massive retaliation turning territory just south of their border into a radioactive landscape.

If they launch against somebody, I wouldn't even be surprised if China joins in the retaliation. Not saying they necessarily would, but it makes some strategic sense.

[Smitty-48]

Ermmm... half a million Chinese troops would beg to differ, when they charged in to defend the Glorious Revolution.

Yes, the Domino Theory, but it turned out to be facile, the reality was quite different, in both Korea and Vietnam, where America believed the Koreans and Vietnamese to be the Chinese proxies, but a closer analysis would have revealed that they were in fact all sworn enemies, only driven together in an alliance of convenience by an American invasion.

In Korea, the Chinese did not actually defend the North Koreans, what they actually did was wait until the North Koreans were defeated, then they invaded Korea and occupied it.

China has been involved in every stage of peace talks with the North Koreans ever since. You think that's just because they're nearby? We can't even talk to them unless Big Brother Ping is in the room.

It's not the North Koreans insisting that the Chinese be in the room, and in fact, you'll notice that the North Koreans walked out of the room, and then started test firing nuclear weapons in direct contravention of the Chinese.

You love discussing how nukes are no deterrent to Ivan taking Eastern Europe - do you suppose our military planners think any differently? We could take them down in 30 minutes with air power on Kimmie alone. The rest of the country would gratefully surrender on his last heartbeat.

"We will, in fact, be greeted as liberators"- Richard B. Cheney, Meet The Press, 14 September 2003