Barack Obama's Legacy -- How strong of a President is he historically?

[skankhunt42]

I think it's silly to pretend that any president either got everything right or everything wrong. It's always a mixture of good and bad; just a matter of degrees.

Anyone who speaks in absolutes when it comes to evaluating presidents just comes off as petty.

I agree with this statement. Be that as it may, I think Obama was an average President, but a wonderful statesman.

I think the people who claim a President during our reign of PaxAmericana to be poor is academically false. As long as our Clandestine Empire is #1 in the world, he can't be failing. But, obviously, there is a metric for success. Presidents can be more or less successful, but to call them a failure during this period is silly. The President who will be crucified will be the President who watches America fall to #2 in the world.

[Okeefenokee]

Avoided Scandal.

yesterday
Judge Awards $3.5 Million Settlement to Tea Party Groups for Obama IRS Targeting Scandal
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/05 ... g-scandal/

Gollum and Lois Lerner should be in Jail.

[Okeefenokee]

Signed Paris climate accord. (nixed)
Established higher fuel efficiency standards. (nixed)
Through 2009 EPA regulations, declared carbon dioxide a pollutant, allowing the agency to regulate its production.
Signed the Omnibus Public Lands Management Act of 2009.
Cut Veteran Homelessness by Half. (bullshit)
Reduced the federal deficit from 9.8 percent of GDP in 2009 to 3.2 percent in 2016. (bullshit)
Passed Health Care Reform. (nixed)
Passed Wall Street Reform. (bullshit)
Eliminated Osama bin Laden. (bullshit)
Ended U.S. Combat Missions in Iraq and Afghanistan (bull fucking shit you lying bitch)
Supported Federal Recognition of Same-Sex Marriages. (bullshit)
Established Rules to Limit Carbon Emissions from Power Plants.
Normalized Relations with Cuba.
Improved America’s Image Abroad. (bullshit)
Let the Space Shuttle Die and Killed the Planned Moon Mission.

Avoided Scandal. (biggest lie of all)

What a lying cunt you are.

Would love to hear how Obama wasn’t responsible for killing Bin Laden, and how he didn’t pass healthcare reform. You not agreeing with the healthcare bill doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

You can't read. Makes sense that you would believe such horseshit, being illiterate and all.

[JohnDonne]

Oh, so who nixed Obamacare then? And how is it bullshit that he oversaw the killing of Osama Bin Laden? Just asking for a friend.

[C-Mag]

Scandal Free ?

How about electronically spying on an opposition candidate, and if that's not enough. Put an FBI Agent inside the opposition candidates campaign.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/05 ... ion-calls/

Obama weaponized all agencies against any political opponents. He should be reviled for this regardless of any of his other success' or failures.

[Okeefenokee]

Oh, so who nixed Obamacare then? And how is it bullshit that he oversaw the killing of Osama Bin Laden? Just asking for a friend.

The ACA is not healthcare reform. Hence why it is almost universally disliked. Without the individual mandate it will die.

I like how it went from "eliminated," to, "oversaw."

Hell, I oversaw that shit too. Carlus, you oversee that shit?

[JohnDonne]

Oh, so who nixed Obamacare then? And how is it bullshit that he oversaw the killing of Osama Bin Laden? Just asking for a friend.

The ACA is not healthcare reform. Hence why it is almost universally disliked. Without the individual mandate it will die.

I like how it went from "eliminated," to, "oversaw."

Hell, I oversaw that shit too. Carlus, you oversee that shit?

See, when you use a random criteria to say something is not reform, like for example citing approval ratings, you should probably make sure that you’re at least right that it’s “almost universally disliked.”

http://news.gallup.com/poll/222734/affo ... highs.aspx

While half of U.S. adults currently approve of the ACA, 44% disapprove in Gallup's annual November Health and Healthcare survey, conducted Nov. 2-8. One year ago, after the 2016 general election, 42% of Americans approved of the law and 53% disapproved.

Half seems mighty far from almost universal, so the inverse of your logic should apply then, it was reform.

Republicans gutting a reform bill doesn’t change the fact that it was passed and is still going eight years later, it still happened, there is no predicting what modifications it will recieve in the future so calling it dead is as sensible as predicting it will go on forever.

Obama oversaw the elimination of Bin Laden, obviously he didn’t kill Bin Laden with his own hands, you’re not so stupid to think that’s what presidents do, he made the decision for a helicopter night raid, he gave the go ahead, he was the ultimate authority overseeing the entire operation, commander in chief, you’re just embarrassing yourself trying to deny it, with this “hey Carlus” act.
Carlus can’t bail you out of this, don’t look to him.
Imagine if Trump oversaw the killing of Bin Laden, he would get his due, but hacks gotta hack.

[PartyOf5]

On being a wonderful statesman - I think the correct wording is that he was very good at "acting" like a POTUS. He put on a great illusion of a competent POTUS when in public, but as far as doing the work of a POTUS I believe he was more of a failure than a success.

On scandal - Easy to get away things like using the IRS to target your opposition, make endless executive orders that were unconstitutional, and generally get away with all kinds shady crap when 99% of the major media outlets belong to your fan club.

Heath care is not the same as health insurance. The ACA is insurance reform. If supporters want to hang Obama's legacy on that, then can have it. In our area, the number of Marketplace insurers is shrinking every year. Long-term the ACA is not working...at least not for the people who have to rely on it. If the same congress who passed it refused to be on it, that it an obvious tell.

Here's an article that just popped up on Google news about Obama's legacy. Not a lot of depth, but it highlights some of what has been discussed here so far.
https://www.weeklystandard.com/fred-bar ... mas-legacy

[C-Mag]

On being a wonderful statesman - I think the correct wording is that he was very good at "acting" like a POTUS. He put on a great illusion of a competent POTUS when in public, but as far as doing the work of a POTUS I believe he was more of a failure than a success.

On scandal - Easy to get away things like using the IRS to target your opposition, make endless executive orders that were unconstitutional, and generally get away with all kinds shady crap when 99% of the major media outlets belong to your fan club.

Heath care is not the same as health insurance. The ACA is insurance reform. If supporters want to hang Obama's legacy on that, then can have it. In our area, the number of Marketplace insurers is shrinking every year. Long-term the ACA is not working...at least not for the people who have to rely on it. If the same congress who passed it refused to be on it, that it an obvious tell.

Here's an article that just popped up on Google news about Obama's legacy. Not a lot of depth, but it highlights some of what has been discussed here so far.
https://www.weeklystandard.com/fred-bar ... mas-legacy

+1

[Okeefenokee]

Oh, so who nixed Obamacare then? And how is it bullshit that he oversaw the killing of Osama Bin Laden? Just asking for a friend.

The ACA is not healthcare reform. Hence why it is almost universally disliked. Without the individual mandate it will die.

I like how it went from "eliminated," to, "oversaw."

Hell, I oversaw that shit too. Carlus, you oversee that shit?

See, when you use a random criteria to say something is not reform, like for example citing approval ratings, you should probably make sure that you’re at least right that it’s “almost universally disliked.”

http://news.gallup.com/poll/222734/affo ... highs.aspx

While half of U.S. adults currently approve of the ACA, 44% disapprove in Gallup's annual November Health and Healthcare survey, conducted Nov. 2-8. One year ago, after the 2016 general election, 42% of Americans approved of the law and 53% disapproved.

Half seems mighty far from almost universal, so the inverse of your logic should apply then, it was reform.

Republicans gutting a reform bill doesn’t change the fact that it was passed and is still going eight years later, it still happened, there is no predicting what modifications it will recieve in the future so calling it dead is as sensible as predicting it will go on forever.

Obama oversaw the elimination of Bin Laden, obviously he didn’t kill Bin Laden with his own hands, you’re not so stupid to think that’s what presidents do, he made the decision for a helicopter night raid, he gave the go ahead, he was the ultimate authority overseeing the entire operation, commander in chief, you’re just embarrassing yourself trying to deny it, with this “hey Carlus” act.
Carlus can’t bail you out of this, don’t look to him.
Imagine if Trump oversaw the killing of Bin Laden, he would get his due, but hacks gotta hack.

Oh look. More bullshit polls. I'm sure they're right this time. Not like there's a political agenda or anything.

Ten House Democrats propose plan to fix ObamaCare
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/34 ... -obamacare

because that's what you do when you like something, you admit it's broken.

If Trump came into office and learned there was already an operation in the making, did absolutely jack shit to forward it, and happened to still be in office when it concluded, then no, he wouldn't get credit for it.

If Trump came into office and initiated a North Korea peace process, I doubt he would even get cre.....oh wait. That already happened.

Your faith in your savior seems to be lacking though. You straight up abandoned all the other claims. You're planting your flag on the reform that's a fucking dumpster fire, and a military operation he had nothing to do with.

Notice this taking credit for anything that happens during a term never applies to failures, crimes, and scandals.