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Re: President Andrew Yang

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Re: President Andrew Yang

Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Mar 21, 2019 5:41 pm

A few small points for the Yang Gang..

(1) Women and minorities would figure out how to plunder your UBI checks anyway, making it an even worse wealth transfer from men to women and minorities. Every divorce will involve the state assigning the man's UBI check to the woman, doubling the women's UBI and effectively creating an even stronger incentive to destroy marriages and families. The end effect of something like this would be the worsening of the gender dynamics created by the sexual revolution and a worsening of the situation for men in general.

(2) In no universe would UBI replace welfare because women (let's be honest, welfare is mostly money given to non-disabled women) would argue that UBI is just the basic income that everybody gets, and it's not enough for them to care for their broods. It wouldn't end disability either because it really isn't enough to live on. Further, it wouldn't even affect service-connected disability at all, since that's compensation for injuries and illnesses received in military service.

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Re: President Andrew Yang

Post by StCapps » Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:59 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 5:41 pm
A few small points for the Yang Gang..

(1) Women and minorities would figure out how to plunder your UBI checks anyway, making it an even worse wealth transfer from men to women and minorities. Every divorce will involve the state assigning the man's UBI check to the woman, doubling the women's UBI and effectively creating an even stronger incentive to destroy marriages and families. The end effect of something like this would be the worsening of the gender dynamics created by the sexual revolution and a worsening of the situation for men in general.

(2) In no universe would UBI replace welfare because women (let's be honest, welfare is mostly money given to non-disabled women) would argue that UBI is just the basic income that everybody gets, and it's not enough for them to care for their broods. It wouldn't end disability either because it really isn't enough to live on. Further, it wouldn't even affect service-connected disability at all, since that's compensation for injuries and illnesses received in military service.
UBI has plenty of problems, however, all forms of welfare have plenty of problems, and UBI has less problems than most wealth redistribution schemes.
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Re: President Andrew Yang

Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:03 pm

StCapps wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:59 pm
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 5:41 pm
A few small points for the Yang Gang..

(1) Women and minorities would figure out how to plunder your UBI checks anyway, making it an even worse wealth transfer from men to women and minorities. Every divorce will involve the state assigning the man's UBI check to the woman, doubling the women's UBI and effectively creating an even stronger incentive to destroy marriages and families. The end effect of something like this would be the worsening of the gender dynamics created by the sexual revolution and a worsening of the situation for men in general.

(2) In no universe would UBI replace welfare because women (let's be honest, welfare is mostly money given to non-disabled women) would argue that UBI is just the basic income that everybody gets, and it's not enough for them to care for their broods. It wouldn't end disability either because it really isn't enough to live on. Further, it wouldn't even affect service-connected disability at all, since that's compensation for injuries and illnesses received in military service.
UBI has plenty of problems, however, all forms of welfare have plenty of problems, and UBI has less problems than most wealth redistribution schemes.
The argument you replied to makes the case that the problems of UBI would be worse.

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Re: President Andrew Yang

Post by StCapps » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:07 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:03 pm
StCapps wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:59 pm
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 5:41 pm
A few small points for the Yang Gang..

(1) Women and minorities would figure out how to plunder your UBI checks anyway, making it an even worse wealth transfer from men to women and minorities. Every divorce will involve the state assigning the man's UBI check to the woman, doubling the women's UBI and effectively creating an even stronger incentive to destroy marriages and families. The end effect of something like this would be the worsening of the gender dynamics created by the sexual revolution and a worsening of the situation for men in general.

(2) In no universe would UBI replace welfare because women (let's be honest, welfare is mostly money given to non-disabled women) would argue that UBI is just the basic income that everybody gets, and it's not enough for them to care for their broods. It wouldn't end disability either because it really isn't enough to live on. Further, it wouldn't even affect service-connected disability at all, since that's compensation for injuries and illnesses received in military service.
UBI has plenty of problems, however, all forms of welfare have plenty of problems, and UBI has less problems than most wealth redistribution schemes.
The argument you replied to makes the case that the problems of UBI would be worse.
Not very well it doesn't, you're going to have to try harder than that.

1) If divorced women can plunder UBI, why can't they plunder other forms of government wealth redistribution? Why not just include a law that the state can't assign the man's UBI checks to the woman, in case of divorce? That would solve that problem right there.

2) Even if it doesn't replace all welfare, it can replace some of it, and it does a better job of redistributing wealth, especially in the age of automation, than a minimum wage. UBI is nowhere near the worst wealth distribution scheme, and it's much better than many of the scheme's that government currently employs to redistribute wealth.
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Re: President Andrew Yang

Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:09 pm

StCapps wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:07 pm
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:03 pm
StCapps wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:59 pm
UBI has plenty of problems, however, all forms of welfare have plenty of problems, and UBI has less problems than most wealth redistribution schemes.
The argument you replied to makes the case that the problems of UBI would be worse.
Not very well it doesn't, you're going to have to try harder than that.
No, you actually have to respond with an argument of your own if you disagree. You failed to do that.

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Re: President Andrew Yang

Post by StCapps » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:11 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:09 pm
StCapps wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:07 pm
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:03 pm


The argument you replied to makes the case that the problems of UBI would be worse.
Not very well it doesn't, you're going to have to try harder than that.
No, you actually have to respond with an argument of your own if you disagree. You failed to do that.
Check again.
1) If divorced women can plunder UBI, why can't they plunder other forms of government wealth redistribution? Why not just include a law that the state can't assign the man's UBI checks to the woman, in case of divorce? That would solve that problem right there.

2) Even if it doesn't replace all welfare, it can replace some of it, and it does a better job of redistributing wealth, especially in the age of automation, than a minimum wage. UBI is nowhere near the worst wealth distribution scheme, and it's much better than many of the scheme's that government currently employs to redistribute wealth.
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Re: President Andrew Yang

Post by StCapps » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:15 pm

Not all forms of UBI are created equal either. If they set it up in an idiotic way, that is a worse wealth redistribution scheme than many of the others they are employing, then I would be against that kind of a UBI.
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