Why are you conservative, why are you liberal, why are you independent?

[TheReal_ND]

There is no solution as long as we are arguing about patents. You want to know what patents actually are? Stolen tech from the Germans. The rest is a joke.

[BjornP]

Someday StA - people will quit working....then wtf are the collectivists going to do?

I'm personally very close that that point....if I quit and claimed full benefits, I would get the equivalent in social benefits of what I keep post taxes....what is the point of work?

The point of work even if you could live comfortably on welfare doing nothing, is that people still want to feel useful, they still have a sense of pride.

A welfare state can break the spirit like StA says, but it depends on how it's built. If even people with light disabilities, who could work but only certain jobs and at reduced time, are simply planted on their asses collecting passive welfare benefits then that breaks their spirit.

But instead use the welfare state to build up, empower, strenghten the opportunities of the poorest and most desperate citizens, educationally, health-wise and psychologically, and you create citizens more likely to leave welfare benefits behind. Or at least reduce them. And you get citizens paying more taxes. It is citizens gifting opportunity to one another.

There are loads of pitfalls and risks involved, particularly what Dan Carlin once called "wallet rights". "I pay taxes that pay the wages of nurses and soldiers , so surely I am entitled to them giving me a blowjob once in a while". Shit like that. But it ain't a slippery slope if you know where the slope is.

[brewster]

That shit isn't real. If they want to rip off an inventor they will just do it.

This is 100% true, a patent is nothing more than license to sue. If you don't have the deep pockets and your stealer does, you're fucked. You need a really good case for an attorney to take it on contingency.

Welfare is a horrific existence and it is designed to entrap you.

Holy shit, isn't that conservative heresy? It's 100% true, though the trapping is not the goal, just a byproduct of the design. Guaranteed minimum income avoids the 'disincentive to work' trap element.

[clubgop]

Welfare is a horrific existence and it is designed to entrap you.

Holy shit, isn't that conservative heresy? It's 100% true, though the trapping is not the goal.

Since the fuck when?

[Ph64]

Welfare is a horrific existence and it is designed to entrap you.

Holy shit, isn't that conservative heresy? It's 100% true, though the trapping is not the goal.

Since the fuck when?

"These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference. For if we don’t move at all, then their allies will line up against us and there’ll be no way of stopping them, we’ll lose the filibuster and there’ll be no way of putting a brake on all sorts of wild legislation. It’ll be Reconstruction all over again."

[PartyOf5]

Welfare is a horrific existence and it is designed to entrap you.

Holy shit, isn't that conservative heresy? It's 100% true, though the trapping is not the goal.

Since the fuck when?

No shit. saying that would be progressive heresy, not conservative. TDS has totally short-circuited any working synapses they had.

[clubgop]

Holy shit, isn't that conservative heresy? It's 100% true, though the trapping is not the goal.

Since the fuck when?

No shit. saying that would be progressive heresy, not conservative. TDS has totally short-circuited any working synapses they had.

He is thinking of the caricature of conservatives he has in his head. Since he is so dishonest and lives in a hack bitch bubble he believes the worst things about his fellow Americans. He will make mention of the "welfare queen" how that was us lumping all welfare recipients as living it up while we work our fingers to the bone. Rather it was an indictment of government bureaucracy and their inability and unwillingness to root out waste, fraud, and abuse which was rampant.

[brewster]

Since the fuck when?

No shit. saying that would be progressive heresy, not conservative. TDS has totally short-circuited any working synapses they had.

He is thinking of the caricature of conservatives he has in his head. Since he is so dishonest and lives in a hack bitch bubble he believes the worst things about his fellow Americans. He will make mention of the "welfare queen" how that was us lumping all welfare recipients as living it up while we work our fingers to the bone. Rather it was an indictment of government bureaucracy and their inability and unwillingness to root out waste, fraud, and abuse which was rampant.

Wow, that's some serious retconning that would make Marvel proud. I could dig up decades of quotes from GOP politicians and not a few Democrats vilifying the "welfare Queen" archetype and the lazy generations of leeches.

https://www.nytimes.com/1976/02/15/arch ... e-now.html

“There's a woman in Chicago,” the Republican candidate said recently to an audience in Gilford, N.H., during his freeswinging attack on welfare abuses. “She has 80 names, 30 addresses, 12 Social Security cards and is collecting veterans’ benefits on four nonexisting deceased husbands.” He added:

“And she's collecting Social Security on her cards. She's got Medicaid, getting food stamps and she is collecting welfare under each of her names. Her tax‐free cash income alone is over $150,000.”

Mr. Reagan never mentions the woman by name. But the effect is the same wherver he goes. During his second campaign swing through the state last month, for example, he startled people in Dublin and Jaffrey and Peterborough and Salem and in all the other little towns where he appeared. They were angry at “welfare chislers.” Mr. Reagan had hit a nerve.

[StCapps]

Welfare Queen is a thing and it's a huge reason for the explosion of single parent households since the 1960's among all demographic groups, especially blacks.

[Zlaxer]

Someday StA - people will quit working....then wtf are the collectivists going to do?

I'm personally very close that that point....if I quit and claimed full benefits, I would get the equivalent in social benefits of what I keep post taxes....what is the point of work?

The point of work even if you could live comfortably on welfare doing nothing, is that people still want to feel useful, they still have a sense of pride. Not all humans have such a drive - we seem to have a fundamental disagreement on the nature of humanity

A welfare state can break the spirit like StA says, but it depends on how it's built. If even people with light disabilities, who could work but only certain jobs and at reduced time, are simply planted on their asses collecting passive welfare benefits then that breaks their spirit. I'm not advocating sterilization of the disabled - nor do I begrudge keeping them above the poverty line - in today's society, most disabled can attain high paying jobs - but the system is abused by far more people who are not truly disabled than the number of people who truly need help

But instead use the welfare state to build up, empower, strenghten the opportunities of the poorest and most desperate citizens, educationally, health-wise and psychologically, and you create citizens more likely to leave welfare benefits behind. Or at least reduce them. And you get citizens paying more taxes. It is citizens gifting opportunity to one another. forced charity is not "gifting" - it's forced redistribution - it is not the role of the state to empower people - it is for the people to do themselves - the state's job is to make the rules of the game fair as best it can, not to force equal outcomes

There are loads of pitfalls and risks involved, particularly what Dan Carlin once called "wallet rights". "I pay taxes that pay the wages of nurses and soldiers , so surely I am entitled to them giving me a blowjob once in a while". Shit like that. But it ain't a slippery slope if you know where the slope is.