Another School Shooting

Okeefenokee
Posts: 12950
Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:27 pm
Location: The Great Place

Re: Another School Shooting

Post by Okeefenokee » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:03 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:Nah, the had no radios and they had very limited optics, so a Man o' War appears on the horizon, you probably don't know who that is nor what his intentions are, gun salute; not hostile, 21 gun salute; Royal Navy.

Royal Navy rules the waves, they can afford the ammo, it's big pimpin', gang sign.
Yeah, I know. I'm just joking.
GrumpyCatFace wrote:Dumb slut partied too hard and woke up in a weird house. Ran out the door, weeping for her failed life choices, concerned townsfolk notes her appearance and alerted the fuzz.

viewtopic.php?p=60751#p60751

User avatar
Speaker to Animals
Posts: 38685
Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:59 pm

Re: Another School Shooting

Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:07 pm

Honestly, this is the kind of thing that the VFW and ROTC at the local universities should be handling.

The kid definitely deserves something.

Smitty-48
Posts: 36399
Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:22 am

Re: Another School Shooting

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:11 pm

Everybody deserves something, but only military deserve standard military honours, and only a fallen war chief deserves full military honours, otherwise it loses its meaning.

If you dilute the honour, you dliute the honour of it as you do.
Last edited by Smitty-48 on Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:12 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Nec Aspera Terrent

User avatar
Speaker to Animals
Posts: 38685
Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:59 pm

Re: Another School Shooting

Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:12 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:Everybody deserves something, but only military deserve standard military honours, and only a fallen war chief deserves full military honors, otherwise it loses its meaning.

He shouldn't be getting that, but he deserves to be honored for sacrificing himself like that and bringing honor to the JROTC as well.


Honor requires recognition. When society fails to recognize honor, we descend further into the degeneracy that permeates our culture.

Smitty-48
Posts: 36399
Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:22 am

Re: Another School Shooting

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:15 pm

None the less, the petition demanding full military honours, is misguided, just another marker of the alienation of the American public from the military, they have no sense of protocol, they think it just goes on feelz or whatever, pop culture "full military honours" as opposed to the real deal.
Last edited by Smitty-48 on Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:19 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Nec Aspera Terrent

User avatar
Speaker to Animals
Posts: 38685
Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:59 pm

Re: Another School Shooting

Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:16 pm

Or even West Point cadets could do something. That's where he wanted to go.

Smitty-48
Posts: 36399
Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:22 am

Re: Another School Shooting

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:17 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:Or even West Point cadets could do something. That's where he wanted to go.
But he never served at West Point, like, why don't you just have the 75th Rangers do it? Answer; because he wasn't a 75th Ranger, pop culture "full military honours" are no honours at all, fake award.
Nec Aspera Terrent

User avatar
Speaker to Animals
Posts: 38685
Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:59 pm

Re: Another School Shooting

Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:21 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:Or even West Point cadets could do something. That's where he wanted to go.
But he never served at West Point, like, why don't you just have the 75th Rangers do it? Answer; because he wasn't a 75th Ranger, pop culture "full military honours" are no honours at all, fake award.

It would not be a fake award. The boy sacrificed his life saving his classmates. He was JROTC. In uniform when he died.

Sending some cadets there to perform a ceremony for him would not be a fake award. Furthermore, the military culture ignoring his sacrifice would be an offense against honor itself.

I am not arguing he needs full military honors like he is a fallen soldier. I am saying it would not only be a nice gesture to send cadets to the funeral, but military culture carries a moral obligation to recognize honor amongst its ranks -- and he was definitely in the culture as ROTC.

Smitty-48
Posts: 36399
Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:22 am

Re: Another School Shooting

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:24 pm

JROTC is not the military, it's a military affiliated student extracurricular activity, but that don't make him a soldier, doesn't matter how great a guy your were, doesn't matter if you died a hero, if you didn't in serve in the regiment, you don't get a regimental funeral, and rightly so.

To wit, paying military honours to someone who did not serve in the military, is a fake award, where I come from at least.
Nec Aspera Terrent

Smitty-48
Posts: 36399
Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:22 am

Re: Another School Shooting

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:35 pm

It's like, where I come from, there are strict and clear regulations on this, it is not in anyway informal, it is written what shall be done, from the Private Soldier to the fall of the Commander-in-Chief, but there are no exceptions, as once you make an exception, then someone will demand another, and then another, and then another, and then won't be long before it turns into farce.

If it's not strict to protocol without exceptions by the book down to the last detail, then it wouldn't be the military, and then it doesn't carry of weight of it, and so then what's the point?

The military is a harsh realm, your feelz don't rate, if you can't accept that, then you don't deserve military honours anyways.
Nec Aspera Terrent