DACA

[Zlaxer]

I suppose it depends on how much volition is assumed in the word migrate.

Either way, a particular category of illegal immigrant does not equal all illegal immigrants does it?

You are a computer nerd, you should understand sets and subsets and whatnot pretty well I should think.

He does - you're the one who needs to pay attention to categories.

An illegal immigrant of a specific category equals all illegal immigrants in your mind?

Well, I think we have discovered the hitch in our conversation.

Yes - and why I think the country needs to split - you, and those like you, have a vision for the country which is not compatible with those who share my view of the country. There's simply no way to work things out.

[Speaker to Animals]

I suppose it depends on how much volition is assumed in the word migrate.

Either way, a particular category of illegal immigrant does not equal all illegal immigrants does it?

You are a computer nerd, you should understand sets and subsets and whatnot pretty well I should think.

Are they not also adults? Seems to me they have full volition to continue living here illegally.

The point is that their migration wasn't volitional.

The crime is not simply the "migration", but also living here illegally. DACA recipients are adults who damned well know they don't belong here, and yet they choose to remain and game the system.

Illegal immigration is a kind of theft no matter how you slice it, and I am fairly certain every one of them knows this.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

That's your problem - you're playing games - can't have an honest conversation - DACA's are illegal - that's why they want DACA - but you know this - yet you still play these games...and expect people to be fooled by it, or maybe you just don't see it.

Not all DACAs are going to be productive - I would venture most of them won't - shit, most citizens aren't productive.....yet your asking the tax payer to carry more water.....where's the hard evidence? all I see is maybes and feelz....not convincing.

Like I said in the beginning of the thread, there are issues of jurisprudence when it comes to DACA candidates that have nothing to do with feels. They still haven't really been addressed by anyone.

You going to answer my questions? And the law seems pretty clear to me - the DACAs are not citizens.

No, they aren't. The DACA program was designed to address that. That is why it exists. Pointing out the obvious when it has nothing to do with the argument is meaningless at best and casuistry at worst.

[The Conservative]

Correct me if I am wrong, but in order to be eligible for DACA, you have to be an illegal immigrant...

I suppose it depends on how much volition is assumed in the word migrate.

Either way, a particular category of illegal immigrant does not equal all illegal immigrants does it?

You are a computer nerd, you should understand sets and subsets and whatnot pretty well I should think.

Ummm, no. DACA is 100% for illegal aliens, which almost 80% of them are from Mexico... so you do the math. Who gets affected the most if DACA gets repealed.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... ml?mcubz=1

Also, remember this, if the kids are here because their parents brought them with them... it's time for the family to stay together and leave together.

[Zlaxer]

Like I said in the beginning of the thread, there are issues of jurisprudence when it comes to DACA candidates that have nothing to do with feels. They still haven't really been addressed by anyone.

You going to answer my questions? And the law seems pretty clear to me - the DACAs are not citizens.

No, they aren't. The DACA program was designed to address that. That is why it exists. Pointing out the obvious when it has nothing to do with the argument is meaningless at best and casuistry at worst.

What statue are you relying on? Please cite. Also - you going to answer my questions? It's been like 3 posts now....this is why I'm beginning to realize there is no peace with the left.

[Zlaxer]

@Monty

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

You going to answer my questions? And the law seems pretty clear to me - the DACAs are not citizens.

No, they aren't. The DACA program was designed to address that. That is why it exists. Pointing out the obvious when it has nothing to do with the argument is meaningless at best and casuistry at worst.

What statue are you relying on? Please cite. Also - you going to answer my questions? It's been like 3 posts now....this is why I'm beginning to realize there is no peace with the left.

What are you asking? I am agreeing with you. DACA candidates aren't citizens. If they were citizens, the DACA program would not exist, since it would be meaningless.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Are they not also adults? Seems to me they have full volition to continue living here illegally.

The point is that their migration wasn't volitional.

The crime is not simply the "migration", but also living here illegally. DACA recipients are adults who damned well know they don't belong here, and yet they choose to remain and game the system.

Illegal immigration is a kind of theft no matter how you slice it, and I am fairly certain every one of them knows this.

Alright, for a DACA candidate to be an illegal immigrant, you have to be arguing that either:

1. you can commit a crime without volition

or

2. you can do something illegal without committing a crime

Those both seem absurd to me, so DACA candidates are non-citizen residents who haven't committed any crime. Their parents committed a crime. Their parents are illegal immigrants.

DACA is an attempt to deal with residents who aren't citizens who haven't committed a crime. Now, at one extreme end, we could say, hey all residents are automatically citizens. At the other end, non-citizens on our land take a bullet between the eyes. With those as our polls, DACA is prety much the middle ground.

[Zlaxer]

What are you asking? I am agreeing with you. DACA candidates aren't citizens. If they were citizens, the DACA program would not exist, since it would be meaningless.

Like I said in the beginning of the thread, there are issues of jurisprudence when it comes to DACA candidates that have nothing to do with feels. They still haven't really been addressed by anyone.

So what statute and/or case law are you relying on? Seems to me the law (the constitution) is pretty clear....


also, you ever going to answer the following?

1) do you not think DACA will incentivize more illegals to come?

2) If more come, will that not hasten the destruction of the middle class?

3) How is this fair to the middle class? -

4) do you think its responsibility of the middle class to provide for DACAs, and if so, why?

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Ummm, no. DACA is 100% for illegal aliens

You are arguing that all DACA candidates are illegal aliens, not that all illegal aliens are DACA candidates.

Christ on his rugged cross, what is hard to understand about this for everybody?