BREAKING: Las Vegas Active Shooter

[TheReal_ND]

Full auto fire in general is 90% supression, even with a machine gun, the purpose is simply to get them to duck and keep their heads down, so you can maneuver, with a 5-5-6 carbine, it's only effective point blank, for a team peel back, first tactical bound you empty the mags for shock effect, just to stun them with a wall of fire, then you switch back to double taps once you've bought yourselves some space and had some time to find the targets, you empty the mag and then peel off, you're changing mags on the fly, when you're a tactical bound away, then you can engage with sustained fire and movement, one, two, three, four patrolman, 120 rounds down range point blank to break close contact, then back to skirmishing.

This is what it looks like, sometimes called an "Aussie Peelback"

Nice. But I thought the idea was to provide cover for the guy falling back. It seems like the majority of the time they waited until the guy got behind them before opening fire. Like a full second of no cover or two. What's up with that?

[de officiis]

Begs the question . . . why would a millionaire retiree who gambles all day for fun decide to gun down 59 people in cold blood?

Like . . . what's the gripe, dude?

Millionaires with gripes, never heard of one.

[Speaker to Animals]

I think the government restricted full-auto because of it's use for suppression fire during the bank robberies back in the 1920s and early 1930s. Gangs used weapons like the BAR to suppress police responding to the robbery long enough to make a getaway so that it proceeded to a car chase, which the cops generally couldn't win because the gangs modded the fuck out of cars to make them as fast as those driven by bootleggers.

For mass shooting, you'd be better off selecting a tower somewhere and using a rifle like Charles Whitman did in the University of Texas shooting. If he had the kind of crowd that day that this guy had last night, then the death toll would have been epic. Whitman was able to kill 16 people and pin down the entire crowd that was in that university quad. That's just students and professors on a normal school day. That's not thousands of people lined up for the kill by any means.

[Okeefenokee]

I think the government restricted full-auto because of it's use for suppression fire during the bank robberies back in the 1920s and early 1930s. Gangs used weapons like the BAR to suppress police responding to the robbery long enough to make a getaway so that it proceeded to a car chase, which the cops generally couldn't win because the gangs modded the fuck out of cars to make them as fast as those driven by bootleggers.

For mass shooting, you'd be better off selecting a tower somewhere and using a rifle like Charles Whitman did in the University of Texas shooting. If he had the kind of crowd that day that this guy had last night, then the death toll would have been epic. Whitman was able to kill 16 people and pin down the entire crowd that was in that university quad. That's just students and professors on a normal school day. That's not thousands of people lined up for the kill by any means.

He also had to deal with armed students firing back at him while the police worked their way up the tower.

[Smitty-48]

Nice. But I thought the idea was to provide cover for the guy falling back. It seems like the majority of the time they waited until the guy got behind them before opening fire. Like a full second of no cover or two. What's up with that?

Well, it's not the best Aussie Peelback I've seen, but to be fair, they're on the range, so on the range it's going to be a little unrealistic, they're not going to let you go buck wild on the range, but in a jungle lane enviroment, you can get a little more agressive and do it much faster, the whole point is speed and violence, on the range they are spread out in a line, in a jungle lane it's all one behind the other, so the first man just unloads and then books, the moment he is clear the man behind unloads and then books, it should be one fluid motion, blaaaaaaaaaaaam, book, blaaaaaaaaam, book, blaaaaaaaaaam, book, blaaaaaaaam, book, with no pause in between, so it's not even cover fire so much as shock effect, when you book, you should be gone, just sprint as hard as you can back down the line, changing mags as you do.

[C-Mag]

I think the government restricted full-auto because of it's use for suppression fire during the bank robberies back in the 1920s and early 1930s. Gangs used weapons like the BAR to suppress police responding to the robbery long enough to make a getaway so that it proceeded to a car chase, which the cops generally couldn't win because the gangs modded the fuck out of cars to make them as fast as those driven by bootleggers.

Yeah, the government didn't want the competition in Auto Fire. And yes on the cars. The first armored presidential car was Al Capones confiscated car that was used by FDR after the '33 Assassination attempt in Florida that killed a governor instead of FDR.

[Smitty-48]

Reality is though, short of breaking contact counter ambush point blank, repetition is more effective for sustained supressive fire, if you got some separation, then you don't use auto to supress, because you're just gonna run out of ammo that much faster, auto with a rifle is for shock effect, a wall of fire for a few seconds just to buy you some time and space, but once you have time and space, single aimed shots can be used to keep peoples heads down, they duck at the first shot, there's no reason to send another twenty shots downrange with that, you can keep them ducking longer, by preserving your ammo.

Banning full auto is the same as any other gun control fallacy; sounds scarier than it actually is in real terms, gun control is all feelz, no tactics. If the guy trying to supress me is just blasting away full auto, he's doing me a favour, I'll take a bound every time he empties a mag, wont be long before I got him flanked for a single aimed shot to the head next time he shoots that mag dry.

[C-Mag]

OK, I'm off the official story of 'No known Motive'
Too much going on here

•Police said authorities found several pounds of ammonium nitrate, a material used to make explosives, in the suspect’s car.
•At least 17 guns were found in the hotel room of the shooter.
•The suspect had a girlfriend, who is currently in Tokyo, according to police, who are continuing to investigate her and plan to meet with her when she returns.
•Police are preparing to raid another property of the suspect in Reno, Nevada.
•Authorities still have no information to share about a possible motive for the shooting.


But that's OK, Boys in Blue are running shit down. Gotta hand it to the LVPD, they know how to keep the troops in line and keep mouths shut.

[Smitty-48]

So, for all you prepper commandos out there, just to review the Aussie Peelback, first man, you just open fire, no need to yell contact front, soon as you see them, just shoot, everybody else, soon as he opens up, take a step off the trail to make a path down the middle, second man go left, third man go right, fourth man go left, the lead man just turns and books down the path, second man sweep fire from left to right as he clears, then just turn into it to your right and go next, third man sweep fire from right to left as he clears, then you go with it to your left and run down the path, last man should be up on the balls of your feet, step back into the middle to clear left and right of you, shooting and backing off as you go, by the time you turn and run, the first and second men should be left and right of the trail again, this time laying down supressive fire with double taps, keep going double taps until you break contact, once you break contact, just haul ass, don't hang around, just run all the way back to the last RV.

Once you're back at the last RV, you can set up an L-shaped ambush, in case they're chasing you, one man set down the path, the other three off the trail on the flank, then if they come a chasing, you can let em have it. That way, when you move again, they're not chasing you anymore.

[C-Mag]

More info coming out

Details about Mr. Paddock’s career and livelihood were sparse, aside from observations by neighbors and family members that he routinely gambled large amounts of money. “He was a gambler, that was his job,” his brother, Eric Paddock, told reporters Monday at his home in Orlando. “He was a wealthy guy, playing video poker, who went cruising all the time and lived in a hotel room.”

Mr. Paddock and his three brothers were raised by their mother, who told the children that their father had died when in fact he was in prison, Eric Paddock said. Mr. Paddock’s father was convicted in 1961 of committing a series of bank robberies, and was sentenced to 20 years, but escaped from La Tuna federal prison in Texas in 1968 and then became a used-car dealer and bingo parlor operator in Oregon.

He left behind 23 guns in the hotel suite, including two rifles mounted on tripods,
19 guns in his home
Paddock used multiple rifles during the attack

Another official said that among the weapons in the hotel room were AR-15-style assault rifles. Both officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to divulge details of the investigation.

Sheriff Lombardo said that Mr. Poddack brought in at least 10 suitcases into his hotel room over a period of time.

Sheriff Lombardo said that Mr. Paddock fired through his hotel room door at security guards, striking one in the leg. The guard is still alive, he said. SWAT officers went in after the guard was shot.

In addition to the weapons at the hotel, the sheriff said the police retrieved 19 firearms, as well as explosives, several thousand rounds of ammunition and “electronic devices” from Mr. Paddock’s home in Mesquite, Nev.


Maybe he was a closet gun guy. Seems odd that this guy out of nowhere sets up an ambush like this. Primary and Secondary positions, automatic weapons, tripods, backup weapons.