THE ERA OF TRUMP

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Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:30 am

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Smitty-48 wrote:The Brits went with Glock, Navy SEAL's went Glock, why'd the Army go SIg? They don't like striker fired-no safety?

Everybody in NATO/NNMA should just quit scewing around and go Glock, keep it simple stupid.
Hell Smitty, you know how it goes. One service wants show others up by being different, saying their shit is better. Probably not enough appreciable difference between the Glock and the Sig to make up for the loss of standardization. The Army chose the Baretta when it was the hot new kid on the block too.
It's a weak point in the military right now, peacetime/optional mentality, if you're building a military force to fight wars; it's all about logistics, economies of scale, so; keep it simple stupid.

Everybody having their own custom kit? Net result in a shooting war; shortages and a lack of people trained to use the kit.

The US should just go Glock across the board, then build a big Glock factory in the USA, and crank out Glocks for all NATO/NNMA.

With economies of scale, the price can't be beat, so everybody will be forced to buy them.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by C-Mag » Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:44 am

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C-Mag wrote:
Smitty-48 wrote:The Brits went with Glock, Navy SEAL's went Glock, why'd the Army go SIg? They don't like striker fired-no safety?

Everybody in NATO/NNMA should just quit scewing around and go Glock, keep it simple stupid.
Hell Smitty, you know how it goes. One service wants show others up by being different, saying their shit is better. Probably not enough appreciable difference between the Glock and the Sig to make up for the loss of standardization. The Army chose the Baretta when it was the hot new kid on the block too.
It's a weak point in the military right now, peacetime/optional mentality, if you're building a military force to fight wars; it's all about logistics, economies of scale, so; keep it simple stupid.

Everybody having their own custom kit? Net result in a shooting war; shortages and a lack of people trained to use the kit.
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The US has changed their basic troop uniform 3 times in 20 years. That's military contracting for ya. Yet, no army has put out an appreciably better camo pattern than WWII German Flek Tarn. That pattern still rocks. And the current US Multi Cam is just an evolved Flek Tarn.
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Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:49 am

And it's just been recently, time was, the US military was very standardized, prepared for war with the Soviet Union as neccesary, the way it is now, you get into a bush war with a little Vietnam type country, suddenly you got kit shortages, even though you've got lots of kit, it's all different now, so you'd get bottlenecks.
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Post by C-Mag » Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:55 am

Smitty-48 wrote:And it's just been recently, time was, the US military was very standardized, prepared for war with the Soviet Union as neccesary, the way it is now, you get into a bush war with a little Vietnam type country, suddenly you got kit shortages, even though you've got lots of kit, it's all different now, so you'd get bottlenecks.
I saw the transition first hand between the Persian Gulf Army to the post Iraq Army. Frankly. The Persian Gulf Army would have kicked the Iraq War Army at everything, except maybe urban-insurgent warfare. It's not really about the quality of the troops either. I've found the millennials to be great troops.

It was the willingness to fight without having to ask permission to defend yourself. That shit did start during the Persian Gulf, but was totally out of control 20 years later. The ROE today is insane. Police can kill US citizens easier than an Infantryman can kill a hostile. The Persian Gulf War Army knew maneuver warfare and they were outstanding at it. Plus we had commanders that utilized a broad coalition very effectively. It was a mindset thing from the top of the command to the bottom.
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Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:00 am

That's because the Persian Gulf Army was CENTAG USA. Just went from the Inter German Border to the Persian Gulf, already ready to go, it's no wonder they stomped the Republican Guard, when they were built to destroy Group Soviet Forces Germany.

The way it is now, is how you get into one of these crazy situations, where the American superpower troops, are not as well equipped in the field, as some Third World army's troops, because Third World army just has one supplier; Ivan, and the Americans are trying to get all this custom made kit from a bazillion different vendors, to the right troops in the right place at the right time, net result; logistics and training bottlenecks all over the place.
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Post by C-Mag » Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:03 am

Smitty-48 wrote:And it's just been recently, time was, the US military was very standardized, prepared for war with the Soviet Union as neccesary, the way it is now, you get into a bush war with a little Vietnam type country, suddenly you got kit shortages, even though you've got lots of kit, it's all different now, so you'd get bottlenecks.
To this point directly, yeah, everyone had M16A1s. But there were a few outliers. We still had some tank crews with 45s and M3 grease guns. These with National Guard Units, not front line units. I was a Bradley Gunner, still had to stuff a M16 in the turret, but carried a Baretta in the old school shoulder holster.
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Smitty-48 wrote:That's because the Persian Gulf Army was CENTAG USA. Just went from the Inter German Border to the Persian Gulf, already ready to go, it's no wonder they stomped the Republican Guard, when they were built to destroy Group Soviet Forces Germany.

The way it is now, is how you get into one of these crazy situations, where the American superpower troops, are not as well equipped in the field, as some Third World army's troops, because Third World army just has one supplier; Ivan, and the Americans are trying to get all this custom made kit from a bazillion different vendors, to the right troops in the right place at the right time, net result; logistics and training bottlenecks all over the place.

Which raises a good question. What has having a CENTCOM really gotten us ?
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:10 am

C-Mag wrote:
Smitty-48 wrote:That's because the Persian Gulf Army was CENTAG USA. Just went from the Inter German Border to the Persian Gulf, already ready to go, it's no wonder they stomped the Republican Guard, when they were built to destroy Group Soviet Forces Germany.

The way it is now, is how you get into one of these crazy situations, where the American superpower troops, are not as well equipped in the field, as some Third World army's troops, because Third World army just has one supplier; Ivan, and the Americans are trying to get all this custom made kit from a bazillion different vendors, to the right troops in the right place at the right time, net result; logistics and training bottlenecks all over the place.

Which raises a good question. What has having a CENTCOM really gotten us ?
I'd rather roll with CENTCOM than NATO, what do you want replace CENTCOM with? The UN? Yeesh.

The reason you have these combatant commands, is so if you have to fight a war, Americans go under American command, you want to plug your troops into some multi-national command, under command of some foreigner?
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Post by StCapps » Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:31 am

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Okeefenokee wrote:Security is paramount. No one gets in the bubble.
Once you're packing, just make sho, cause If I jump you, and you go to draw? Too late, I ain't lettin' go then, at that point, I gotta snap yo neck like a pez dispenser.

You go to sweep with your left and draw from the hip with your right, you're already down on the ground in the grip of the python; crunch. Wrap you up like Christmas eve, then tear you apart like Christmans mornin'
Smitty's out for your neck, best prep that choke defense bro and watch for that back take.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:58 am

He wont know what hit him, because I'll have cased the target, determined that okee is one of those good samaritan types, and so presented as a casualty in distress, he will come to me, not with his weapon drawn, but to render assistance, at which point; whoops, that's not a man choking, that's a crocodile, SNAP!
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