Daniel Shaver shooting

[Fife]

[Smitty-48]

If America is a lawless free for all, there's no reason to convict anybody of anything, but that would include him as well, so, again, he's free to go, by your own doctrine.

You just said these are the rules of engagement. The cops are an occupying force, and therefore my enemy.

So long as you stay on your side of the border, I don't have particular interest in telling you how to run your shit, knock yourself out, but if vigilantes can shoot people because they are angry hotheads, I don't see why you're complaining about this guy, as he simply did what you are calling for people to do.

If you're calling for civil war, many innocent men will get gunned down mistakenly, so what's the big whoop?

[Speaker to Animals]

No he got out of the sentence he rightfully earned by the jury. But I would have zero problem and wouldn't lose a wink of sleep if it was in the news that someone shot his ass tomorrow.

If vigilante justice is appropriate, then there was no reason to charge him in the first place, if you can make that call, then so can he.

Anybody can shoot anybody based on their emotions; he's free to go.

By your own doctrine, I give him his walking papers.

He's a fuckin' hothead, you're a fuckin' hothead, you and him are one in the same.

Smits is right. Here's the problem -- the state (police officer) is prosecuted by the state (DA) by rules promulgated by the state (legislature) ministered by the state (judge).

The last civilized stand against the state is the jury.

There's where to focus your attention.

Unless we're going native, of course. In which case, I'm down.

We already are one foot into becoming Northern Mexico. Fuck it. Might as well go old-school at this point.

[Fife]

I've been trying to think of a PROTIP when you recognize that a cop has his piece pointed at you for this thread all day.

These instructions need to be able to work even if you are utterly shitfaced.

The best I can come up with so far as a quick-n-dirty is:

1. Drop to your tummy in the prone position.

2. Lock your fingers on the back of your head.

3. Say nothing.

4. If the cop starts yelling at you, say "I am hearing impaired and cannot hear your commands. I am ready to be restrained and will not resist."

5. Get restrained, then say "no comment without a lawyer."

What am I missing?

[Smitty-48]

Why does it even matter? If y'all are going Redleg Jayhawker, guys like Daniel Shaver are going to be getting shredded all over the place, so what's one more Daniel Shaver on the pile?

[Speaker to Animals]

What am I missing?

Honestly, I don't think it mattered what Daniel Shaver did. I think this cop was intent on murdering somebody that day. It's the only way I can make sense of the bizarre orders and the way he approached the situation. I don't think the prosecutor was wrong to bring murder charges either.

A good pro-tip is to not engrave shit like "you're fucked" on your weapon. Also maybe don't order people to carry out difficult to impossible movements in order to stay alive.

Unless you wear a police costume anyway. Then you can just murder anybody, and the jury will let you off just like as if you are an illegal Mexican, and folks like Smitty will just nod towards you, "rules of engagement blar blar blar".

[jseymour]

I've been trying to think of a PROTIP when you recognize that a cop has his piece pointed at you for this thread all day.

These instructions need to be able to work even if you are utterly shitfaced.

The best I can come up with is:

1. Drop to your tummy in the prone position.

2. Lock your fingers on the back of your head.

3. Say nothing.

4. If the cop starts yelling at you, say "I am hearing impaired and cannot hear your commands. I am ready to be restrained and will not resist."

5. Get restrained, then say "no comment without a lawyer."

What am I missing?

They are actually teaching that is some places now. Just go prone and don't move until the cops hand cuff you. Sad that we have to resort to that. Time to re-evaluate how we are training our boys in blue and fix this problem now before it gets worse.

[Smitty-48]

Smitty will just nod towards you, "rules of engagement blar blar blar".

I didn't invoke ROE, I said that I had reasonable doubt as to malicious murder, so manslaughter, and federal civil rights charges.

Then you flew off the handle like a psycho and screeched "fuck it, let's just kill everybody!"

[Speaker to Animals]

LMFAO

Was the video not clear enough for you?

[Smitty-48]

The video doesn't show malice beyond a reasonable doubt, he clearly pops off and shoots at a draw move which wasn't a draw move, but it does look like a draw move from the point of view of the camera, so reasonable doubt as to him having mens rea to murder the man when he opens fire, the chick doesn't have any trouble following the instructions, and he doesn't shoot her, he only shoots when the guy reaches for it a second time.

It's still manslaughter, and a federal civil rights violation, which, if you convicted him for that, he'd get the same 25 years he would have gotten on the murder charge anyways, problem solved.