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Re: Brexit

Post by Ex-California » Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:17 am

Montegriffo wrote:
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Montegriffo wrote:The underlying issue is underfunding for the NHS. As little as 1% on income tax could properly fund the NHS but like Conservative governments the world over our leaders are only interested in tax cuts for the rich.
That and outright lies like this,
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Doesn't look like a lie to me

https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-memb ... 5-million/
Do you even math?
According to your own link
In 2016 the UK government paid £13.1 billion to the EU budget, and EU spending on the UK was forecast to be £4.5 billion. So the UK’s ‘net contribution’ was estimated at about £8.6 billion.
8.6 billion divided by 52 = 165 million per week. Less than half the figure on the side of the lie bus.

There are lies, damned lies and Boris Johnson’s weasel sums.

By no honest calculation can Britain’s net payment to the European Union be estimated as £350m a week. Nigel Farage admits it. So does the Daily Mail.

Even Johnson admits it. In his “glorious Brexit” essay in the Daily Telegraph last Friday the foreign secretary said that we would “take back control” of roughly £350m a week when we leave the EU.

A reasonable person might assume that Johnson meant that the country would have that amount of extra money to spend post-Brexit. What a “fine thing”, Johnson wrote, “if a lot of that money went to the NHS”.

In his spat with the UK Statistics Authority Johnson now says he is shocked, SHOCKED that his words should be understood in this crassly simplistic way. To suggest that he was claiming that £350m might be “available for extra public spending” is a “wilful distortion” etc. In other words, the foreign secretary’s defence amounts to an admission that the slogan on his famous Brexit campaign bus – “We send the EU £350m a week: let’s fund our NHS instead” – was bogus all along.

I will leave the politics to others. Let’s just look at the £350m figure – and the foggy reality of the EU budget.

Some Brexiteers now cheerfully admit that the figure was fake. To others, perhaps even Michael Gove, it has achieved a kind of mystical importance. The arch-Brexiteer Tim Martin, the founder of the Wetherspoons pub chain, announced on the BBC that the net payment figure was indeed £350m if you include the tariffs on goods imported to the UK from outside the EU.

Martin’s back-of-a beer-mat calculation is incorrect. Three-quarters of those trade tariffs do go to Brussels. They are, however, already included in Her Majesty’s government’s official calculation of Britain’s net and gross payments to the EU.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -secretary
Regardless of the actual number, that's money that could be going to the NHS instead of the rest of Europe for God knows what

And you'd just rather give up more earnings rather than the force your government to fix the spending they already have from their prodigious taxation?
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Re: Brexit

Post by Montegriffo » Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:39 am

When you take into account what it will cost me personally as a result of Brexit 1p in the pound is a small price to pay.
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Post by Ex-California » Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:46 am

What would Brexit cost you personally?
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Re: Brexit

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:24 am

California wrote:What would Brexit cost you personally?

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Re: Brexit

Post by Montegriffo » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:51 am

California wrote:What would Brexit cost you personally?
High inflation particularly on food prices due to loss of farm subsidies, higher cost of imports from Europe and fuel prices due to fall in value of the pound, disruption to the economy caused by uncertainty while new trade deals are negotiated, falling GDP due to banking moving from London to Frankfurt and tariffs on trade where there were none previously.
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Re: Brexit

Post by Ex-California » Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:57 pm

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California wrote:What would Brexit cost you personally?
High inflation particularly on food prices due to loss of farm subsidies, higher cost of imports from Europe and fuel prices due to fall in value of the pound, disruption to the economy caused by uncertainty while new trade deals are negotiated, falling GDP due to banking moving from London to Frankfurt and tariffs on trade where there were none previously.
Looks like a lot more theoretical than getting 1% more of your income confiscated
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Re: Brexit

Post by Hanarchy Montanarchy » Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:02 pm

California wrote:
Montegriffo wrote:
California wrote:What would Brexit cost you personally?
High inflation particularly on food prices due to loss of farm subsidies, higher cost of imports from Europe and fuel prices due to fall in value of the pound, disruption to the economy caused by uncertainty while new trade deals are negotiated, falling GDP due to banking moving from London to Frankfurt and tariffs on trade where there were none previously.
Looks like a lot more theoretical than getting 1% more of your income confiscated
About as theoretical as all those kick-ass bilateral trade deals.
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Re: Brexit

Post by Montegriffo » Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:23 pm

California wrote:
Montegriffo wrote:
California wrote:What would Brexit cost you personally?
High inflation particularly on food prices due to loss of farm subsidies, higher cost of imports from Europe and fuel prices due to fall in value of the pound, disruption to the economy caused by uncertainty while new trade deals are negotiated, falling GDP due to banking moving from London to Frankfurt and tariffs on trade where there were none previously.
Looks like a lot more theoretical than getting 1% more of your income confiscated
What is theoretical about a 16% drop against the Euro and a 12% drop against the dollar?

What is theoretical about food inflation rising from 0.6% to 4.2% ?

Overall inflation rising from 0.5% to 3% ?

Try a little research before you post in future.
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Re: Brexit

Post by Hanarchy Montanarchy » Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:37 pm

I don't think that being a pro-Brexit American has all that much to do with Brexit, Monte.
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Re: Brexit

Post by Montegriffo » Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:48 pm

Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:I don't think that being a pro-Brexit American has all that much to do with Brexit, Monte.
Oh I'm fully aware that it's all part of the anti-immigration agenda of people completely uninformed about the consequences for the UK. I'm still going to continue pointing out their ignorance though, I see it as my patriotic duty.
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