Stop Posting Star Wars Spoilers

[Smitty-48]

And no warpdrive, no hyperspace, no wormholes, at least nothing short of an epic miraculous event, but in terms of the starships, constant acceleration relativistic, there are space colonies all over, but it takes full time to go from system to system, I'd just have a lot more intra system action, the characters can travel to another system, but that kicks off another chapter, because it's going to take them awhile to get there. The starships will have ultra advanced technology, but not teleportation level shit, and the space battles in space would be bound by the laws of physics, less Top Gun more Master and Commander.

Wait. If your idea is to have the literal God of the Christians figure heavily in your flick, why not just have faster than light travel be instantaneous, and driven entirely by faith?

Because God will not allow for a time paradox, as it would be extremely harmful to his creations and would actually destroy them rather than help them. This universe works the way it does, in order for life to work as it does, if you inject time paradoxes, it's not actually good for you, you wouldn't actually like it, it wouldn't be like Star Trek, doppelgangers caught in a paradoxical time loop would be a Hell unto itself.

God created space-time to go in one direction and play out as it does, at times, in extremis, God will intervene, miraculously, but he won't break the universe to do it, the unintended consequences would backfire.

God created the universe to have a relationship with the beings he created therein, but it's not a clockwork, you're not an automaton, God will not intervene to the point of destroying the very purpose of it. In order for the relationship to be real, the universe, and you, must be allowed to play out on your own, otherwise God would just be playing with action figures rather than interacting with sentient living beings.

Biblically, God intervenes in two primary ways, through you, or by sending an angel as his messenger, but he does not alter the structure of reality itself, because it's actually quite delicate.

The mechanism by which you depart the structure of this reality to return to God, is not warp drive, but rather death. The Soul of you can exist beyond the structure of this reality, but the physical you must remain behind.

You can have a quantum energy powered constant acceleration rocket to achieve the threshold of just under lightspeed, but that's you doing that, working with the structure as it is meant to function, but a time warp is simply a bridge too far, at that point, you've departed the structure of four dimensional reality, and God did not intend that, unless and until you die, in order to return to the fold, hyperspace; the realm of Heaven, a higher dimensional realm, where your four dimensional body cannot follow.

You can crash yourself into the event horizon of a singularity, and your soul will go on, but the physical you, will be reduced back into randomized energy.

[Smitty-48]

That being said, and as I said earlier, there is one mechanism by which God could incite an epic miraculous event, wherein a character or characters transcend four dimension reality to reappear at another point in space-time, but that mechanism is reincarnation, they die, and then return as someone else, same soul, different body. Born again, as it were.

This is also the mechanism by which God sends the angels, but that's simply incarnation, the angel has no body, it's a super soul, a demigod, it takes the form of an inanimate object, a skeleton in a suit of armor for example, as its vessel, a soul ship so to say. The angels are the beings God created before man, to be his army.

He is cautious about sending them tho, because bound as they may be to his will, bound by their love for the Commander-in-Chief, each one is an army unto himself, and they do have free will none the less, a supersoul can be as unpredictable as a human soul, and one has betrayed him before... the angel loves his master, but he's like an attack dog, chomping at the bit, and pulling on the leash. Break glass in case of war, but do not do so lightly. The wrath of God may serve an ultimate good, but it is wrath none the less.

When there is cosmic peace, the messengers are peaceful, but when the war comes, things get much more Old Testament, and then the fur will fly. God contains the angel within an inanimate object, within the vessel, in order to keep him on the leash, the angel must be constrained to keep it at the heel, but even so constrained, it is a furious thing indeed. Within the vessel, it cannot alter the structure of reality, but it can kick some serious ass within that structure, once it gets going.

The angel is a warrior after all, it has a dark side, in order to unleash his wrath upon the wicked, even God has no other choice but to embrace the suck. The enemy is also an angel, the greatest of them all, but that angel is not constrained by a vessel, and so even God is not completely in control of the war. He can send his messenger to try influence events, but once the enemy has found a way back into four dimensional reality, it's an insurgency, and crushing him is much easier said than done.

God could not bring himself to destroy his ultimate creation, so he cast it out, but once cast out, it became a law unto itself, with free will unbound, living amongst the tall grass. And of course, the enemy is without restraint, it has no compunction about taking hostages, taking all of them in fact, human shields in great multiplicity, burn the village to save the village, if you dare. God loves his creations, he cannot bring himself to destroy them, and no one knows this better than the enemy, and so that is his ultimate weapon, God's love, turned against him.

"Go ahead and wrath, Old Man, send your army against its Praetor, remove your constraints here amongst reality, alter its nature to stop me if you dare, see where that gets you, my army, is your village, burn it down as you like..."

Thus, God cannot unleash the Arc Light strike upon the village, and so the war, becomes a hearts and minds operation, the more force God uses, the more he intervenes directly, the more the enemy can use that against him, so he must be much more subtle about it, influence, but no blitzkrieg. He can assist the villagers in the fight, show them the way, send a messenger to shore them up, but he cannot do the fighting for them, onward Christian soldiers, save the village, because I cannot bring myself to burn it all down.

No warp drive, no hyperspace, no time paradoxes, the rules of reality must stand, the very fabricate of the village itself, cannot be unraveled, without destroying it, and so even the angels, must be kept on a tight leash, bend the rules perhaps, but not break them, allowing an angel to break the rules after all, is how this war got started in the first place...

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

I'm not even goofin', I like this idea, but I think you are missing out on some golden opportunities here.

First of all, God does break the laws sometimes. Stopping the sun in the sky over Jericho so Joshua can fuck it right up is a perfect example. Turning Lot's wife into a pillar of salt means, I would think, rewriting every molecule in her body instantly. Once you have God himself, the creator, you shouldn't deny yourself the narrative possibilities there in.

You still get to have Master and Commander style space battles.

You can still make the Miracle Drive carry some heavy consequences. For instance, let's say it involves actually killing everybody on board and then reincarnating them at the desired location, but the catch is that you have to spend some period of time in Hell every time you do it. Fun story possibilities there. But you don't need it. God could just quantum entangle the ship and crew with a bunch of random particles at the destination and zip 'em all over, no laws of the universe broke, if you want to go that rout.

But here is the catch, only the Christian Soldiers get to travel this way. The evil Transhuman Galactic Empire has to take the long way round. Another great conflict piece for the series.

All I'm saying is, if you are going to have this space opera have a God with a will and intelligence, you are leaving money on the table and boring the shit out of everyone if you make the entire movie a bunch of theodicy expositions on the limits of God's miracle working instead of actually employing this plot point for some sick-ass black magic/prayer based warfare against the Empire.

[Speaker to Animals]

He still does it.



That was a photo taken by the atheist journalists who showed up to lambaste the backwards Christians regarding the Fatima visions. What happened was called the Miracle of the Sun. The Sun appeared to dance around the sky from the perspective of the people on the ground. It's really hard to explain how that could even happen. Atheist freemason journalists who were there weren't laughing afterwards.

[Smitty-48]

Well I didn't say God would never break the rules, as I said, there are epic miraculous events, but you gotta use that stuff sparingly, otherwise Superman will just circle the earth until it spins backwards in time, to save Lois Lane every time she gets in trouble, if you're going to pull out the big miracles, you don't pull it out willy nilly, and you don't pull it out in every act.

Whether it's reincarnation, or the avenging angel showing up, you have to dole that stuff out judiciously, otherwise it loses all its epic effect.

If the big miracles are common place, then they're not big miracles anymore, they're just ho hum, like Star Trek.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Are pitching a big FX piece to make stacks for DIS shareholders or ain't ya?

Miracles-sparingly is for period pieces and costume dramas. Miracles-everywhere for science fiction space operas.

If you want to be a hard SF nerd about it, fine, but then it is going to have to be a tv series, not a movie franchise.

[Smitty-48]

It's a hybrid, enough hard SF to ground the story in a reality with constraint, in order for the characters to have conflict and struggle, can't make it too easy on them, but still on a epic scale, to make Space Opera. Dave Bowman goes into the monolith and becomes the Starchild, but he doesn't do it in act one scene one, to miracle himself to the Jovian system, the Starchild is the big miracle, you dole that out judiciously.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Okay, I don't want to note you to death here, but the way you do this judiciously, at the start at least, is you tell the story from the perspective of one of the soldiers in the Galactic Empire, that doesn't understand how the technologically inferior Christian Rebels are making any headway.

Open with a big miracle set piece, but don't tell the audience it is a miracle. Then the story takes your Empire soldier on a Damascene journey up to the final big miracle set piece, where you M Night Shamblamalan twist these fuckers by revealing the miraculous nature of the warfare, and your main character is converted.

Plus, you get the fun of mocking up a Star Trek, post scarcity utopia that everyone loves, and then pull the rug out of them by revealing they are actually the villains. You want to make a Right Wing space opera, there is your money maker.

It is getting Red-Pilled in Space, the movie.

[Smitty-48]

The Christians don't start off as soldiers, they don't even start off as Christians, they are pioneers, who encounter the Godhead, when they go out to the edge of known space, and as a result become pilgrims, they only become soldiers, when they are forced to fight, and they only bust out the one with the force the force is with us moves, when they are pushed to their limits, by crucible.

They're not invincible, they can't just miracle their way out of every jam, they have to struggle to get there, the miraclous takes great effort, it's more like...

“We are the Pilgrims, master; we shall go
Always a little further; it may be
Beyond that last blue mountain barred with snow
Across that angry or that glimmering sea,

White on a throne or guarded in a cave
There lies a prophet who can understand
Why men were born: but surely we are brave,
Who take the Golden Road to Samarkand.”

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Yeah, that is my favorite part, but you can't open with that.

You need to open mid conflict or your whole first 2 acts will be building to conflict, which is boring AF.