LET'S BAN GUNS!

[Okeefenokee]

Before we get to guns, why wouldn't we address the car accidents?

What car reforms do we need? Are our automobile safety regulations not up to par?

Hint: ours are the most stringent in the world. That's why I couldn't bring my German car home when I left the Army. German cars sold in Germany don't meet American safety requirements.

The biggest difference between european and american safety is the air bag. Since everyone in Europe uses seatbelts our airbags are weaker to take that into account. There's been a lot of work put into trying to synchronize regulations but that was one of the things that made it fall apart.

I think American drivers education and tests seems a ludicrously low bar to pass. I guess it's part of Freeedom! But it's your culture, your rules.

Nope. Airbags were required in US cars in 1989. Mine was a 94 VW that had no airbags. Germany was totally cool with it.

Hint, to this day, EU makers market US spec cars to GI's because they know EU spec cars can't get into the states.

Give up. We have stricter vehicle safety specs. You're basically yosemite sam.

[Hastur]

Before we get to guns, why wouldn't we address the car accidents?

What car reforms do we need? Are our automobile safety regulations not up to par?

Hint: ours are the most stringent in the world. That's why I couldn't bring my German car home when I left the Army. German cars sold in Germany don't meet American safety requirements.

The biggest difference between european and american safety is the air bag. Since everyone in Europe uses seatbelts our airbags are weaker to take that into account. There's been a lot of work put into trying to synchronize regulations but that was one of the things that made it fall apart.

I think American drivers education and tests seems a ludicrously low bar to pass. I guess it's part of Freeedom! But it's your culture, your rules.

Nope. Airbags were required in US cars in 1989. Mine was a 94 VW that had no airbags. Germany was totally cool with it.

Hint, to this day, EU makers market US spec cars to GI's because they know EU spec cars can't get into the states.

Give up. We have stricter vehicle safety specs. You're basically yosemite sam.

I agree they are stricter. That is what I wrote.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

We have a Federal Highway Administration whose main goal is safety regulation. Highway fatalities have fallen from 20 or more per 100,000 drivers in the 60s when it was created to around 10 or 11 per 100,000.

We do address automobile safety, and it does have an impact, even if some of the regulations seem onerous.

[clubgop]

We have a Federal Highway Administration whose main goal is safety regulation. Highway fatalities have fallen from 20 or more per 100,000 drivers in the 60s when it was created to around 10 or 11 per 100,000.

We do address automobile safety, and it does have an impact, even if some of the regulations seem onerous.

And Ralph Nader wrote a book that environmentalist hate and he has been trying to make up for it ever since.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

I just don't understand why people bring up automobile fatalities when it comes to gun regulation, unless they are recommending a federal regulatory and licensing apparatus with reach into every state's gun laws.

It is either that, an intentional red herring, or a lack of understanding.

[clubgop]

I just don't understand why people bring up automobile fatalities when it comes to gun regulation, unless they are recommending a federal regulatory and licensing apparatus with reach into every state's gun laws.

It is either that, an intentional red herring, or a lack of understanding.

Well we already have that, it's called the ATF.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

The ATF is more geared towards law enforcement. Closer to the Highway Patrol. It regulates license and transportation in that capacity, but doesn't really make safety regulations.

There is a lot of light between the DoJ and Department of Transportation.

We also have the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, whose explicit goal is to prevent automobile accidents, not enforce existing traffic safety laws.

[clubgop]

The ATF is more geared towards law enforcement. Closer to the Highway Patrol. It regulates license and transportation in that capacity, but doesn't really make safety regulations.

There is a lot of light between the DoJ and Department of Transportation.

We also have the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, whose explicit goal is to prevent automobile accidents, not enforce existing traffic safety laws.

They do when it comes to imports.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Be that as it may, I don't think anyone thinks the solution is giving broader authority to the ATF.

It is also a little disingenuous to suggest we can't talk about regulating firearms because we haven't addressed automobile safety when 1) we abso-freaking-lutely have, and 2) there are some obvious differences between gun safety and highway safety.

[The Conservative]

I just don't understand why people bring up automobile fatalities when it comes to gun regulation, unless they are recommending a federal regulatory and licensing apparatus with reach into every state's gun laws.

It is either that, an intentional red herring, or a lack of understanding.

Because next to knives they are the only other thing in the US that people own more than one of, statistically that can be considered a weapon by even liberal thought processes.