Europe, Boring Until it's Not

[The Conservative]

I don't know which is worse, that you're as clueless as TC, or that you (and TC) don't understand why you're clueless.

Let me try and explain in terms you may relate to. Expecting any European country to vote for an Islamist Sharia Law-imposing/dhimmification state and effectively make themselves inferior in rights to Muslims, is a far more absurd fantasy than taking serious a scenario in which Communist Russians in the late 1950's emigrate en masse to the US, start a "US Soviet Party" aimed at turning the US into a Soviet State part of the USSR, and ten years later all Americans vote for them...

4.4% of England. = 2.3 million.
6% of Germany (1939) = 4.7 million.

Germany in 1939 had almost 20,000,000 more people than England does today. 2.3 million people can cause a lot of chaos. Now if you think about it 2.3 million on top of what out there internationally, The rest of the world would be lucky if it's only 4.7 million people that I would be standing up against the rest of the world when and if the trigger is pulled.

Your numbers are completely irrelevant. All that matters here is culture and culture alone.

Seriously, did you not just read my comparison? Do you consider a 1950's Communist takeover and absorption into the USSR likely, just by some Soviet Russians coming over and wanting you to be part of the Soviet Union, realistic, too?

The German Nazi minority swayed the German populace to vote for them by promising them things that the Germans wanted, by presenting themselves as the Third Reich, by appealing to German history, German culture, a German future, where Germans lived like kings.

What excatly are you imagining that a Salafist, Islamic State-wannabe Muslim "politician" could tell the people of Britain that would make them vote to completely dismantle what democracy and human rights they might have and turn themselves into second-rate citizens?

Go on, how would Muslims impose sharia state in the UK democratically, as in getting voted in like the Nazis did? How could they appeal to the British voters?

How could they? Seriously did you just ask that?

They already have in some areas, there are places the police unless armed will not go, and even if they are, they are severely hesitant to do so.

Have you not been hearing about the genital mutilations, how honor killings are going on over there and in many cases without recourse because the police are not willing to go into those areas to apprehend the person?

Cripes... just read the newspapers alone and you'll see they already have more than a toe hold there already...

[BjornP]

4.4% of England. = 2.3 million.
6% of Germany (1939) = 4.7 million.

Germany in 1939 had almost 20,000,000 more people than England does today. 2.3 million people can cause a lot of chaos. Now if you think about it 2.3 million on top of what out there internationally, The rest of the world would be lucky if it's only 4.7 million people that I would be standing up against the rest of the world when and if the trigger is pulled.

Your numbers are completely irrelevant. All that matters here is culture and culture alone.

Seriously, did you not just read my comparison? Do you consider a 1950's Communist takeover and absorption into the USSR likely, just by some Soviet Russians coming over and wanting you to be part of the Soviet Union, realistic, too?

The German Nazi minority swayed the German populace to vote for them by promising them things that the Germans wanted, by presenting themselves as the Third Reich, by appealing to German history, German culture, a German future, where Germans lived like kings.

What excatly are you imagining that a Salafist, Islamic State-wannabe Muslim "politician" could tell the people of Britain that would make them vote to completely dismantle what democracy and human rights they might have and turn themselves into second-rate citizens?

Go on, how would Muslims impose sharia state in the UK democratically, as in getting voted in like the Nazis did? How could they appeal to the British voters?

How could they? Seriously did you just ask that?

They already have in some areas, there are places the police unless armed will not go, and even if they are, they are severely hesitant to do so.

Have you not been hearing about the genital mutilations, how honor killings are going on over there and in many cases without recourse because the police are not willing to go into those areas to apprehend the person?

Cripes... just read the newspapers alone and you'll see they already have more than a toe hold there already...

Fucking lol. The US is part of the Soviet Union, then? The US is Marxist, has a five year plan, has gulags, and answers to the Supreme Soviet, and it became all that because some Russians were invited into your country? Is that what you're telling me?

No? It's not? Then stop fucking around and admit that a tiny, foreign minority that doesn't share your culture and values is not as able to gain power in your country as people who do share your culture and values.

Dude, you're moving the goalpost. Fuck FGM, honor killings and other shit for now. You made a point that 4% Muslims would be enough for Muslims to take over the UK because the German Nazis had similarly small numbers and they took over Germany. Stick with that and argue your damn case.

Crime is not power. Thieves are not politicians, even if politicians can be thieves. Gypsies commit crime and have commited crime in Europe for centuries, but hey.... somehow they're not running Europe and we haven't all adopted a culture of begging and scamming people.

I ask again: You presented a scenario as likely that the UK was likely to become a sharia state because the Nazis were a minority, too. So, following that scenario, argue your damned case or give up on it. Why would the British public vote to impose Sharia law on themselves? What could a Islamist party promise the British that would turn them into dhimmis in their own country?

[Montegriffo]

They already have in some areas, there are places the police unless armed will not go, and even if they are, they are severely hesitant to do so.

Here we go again. Fictitious no go areas once more. This has been debunked so many times I've lost count.
Wait for it...... Sharia law will be along to rear it's ugly non existent head next.

[BjornP]

They already have in some areas, there are places the police unless armed will not go, and even if they are, they are severely hesitant to do so.

Here we go again. Fictitious no go areas once more. This has been debunked so many times I've lost count.
Wait for it...... Sharia law will be along to rear it's ugly non existent head next.

It's like a proximity infatuation, only with the cute girl from the office replaced with the intoxicating smell of kebab. Conversion Kebab.

[TheReal_ND]

[BjornP]

That was...captivatingly bad.

[TheReal_ND]

That was...captivatingly bad.

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/serbia-st ... move-kebab

[SuburbanFarmer]

They already have in some areas, there are places the police unless armed will not go, and even if they are, they are severely hesitant to do so.

Here we go again. Fictitious no go areas once more. This has been debunked so many times I've lost count.
Wait for it...... Sharia law will be along to rear it's ugly non existent head next.

It's almost as if there's no point in arguing with him - he simply ignores it, and re-states the same bullshit a few weeks later...

[The Conservative]

StA, out of the two of you, who do you think has most experience dealing with, and insight into the character of, the Muslims of Britain? Monte, or yourself?

Islam makes up 4.4% of the religious population in the UK. How excatly are they going to "rise up" against anyone? Are they all going to be armed with mini-nukes?

What percentage of Germans were Nazis? 6%

During which year? Are you citing the official party membership as if it measured total Nazi support?

Historic references and also, the party voting block rose to 32% at its peak... so let's be real here, we aren't talking those numbers yet, but we could with the right trigger.

[The Conservative]

Your numbers are completely irrelevant. All that matters here is culture and culture alone.

Seriously, did you not just read my comparison? Do you consider a 1950's Communist takeover and absorption into the USSR likely, just by some Soviet Russians coming over and wanting you to be part of the Soviet Union, realistic, too?

The German Nazi minority swayed the German populace to vote for them by promising them things that the Germans wanted, by presenting themselves as the Third Reich, by appealing to German history, German culture, a German future, where Germans lived like kings.

What excatly are you imagining that a Salafist, Islamic State-wannabe Muslim "politician" could tell the people of Britain that would make them vote to completely dismantle what democracy and human rights they might have and turn themselves into second-rate citizens?

Go on, how would Muslims impose sharia state in the UK democratically, as in getting voted in like the Nazis did? How could they appeal to the British voters?

How could they? Seriously did you just ask that?

They already have in some areas, there are places the police unless armed will not go, and even if they are, they are severely hesitant to do so.

Have you not been hearing about the genital mutilations, how honor killings are going on over there and in many cases without recourse because the police are not willing to go into those areas to apprehend the person?

Cripes... just read the newspapers alone and you'll see they already have more than a toe hold there already...

Fucking lol. The US is part of the Soviet Union, then? The US is Marxist, has a five year plan, has gulags, and answers to the Supreme Soviet, and it became all that because some Russians were invited into your country? Is that what you're telling me?

No? It's not? Then stop fucking around and admit that a tiny, foreign minority that doesn't share your culture and values is not as able to gain power in your country as people who do share your culture and values.

Dude, you're moving the goalpost. Fuck FGM, honor killings and other shit for now. You made a point that 4% Muslims would be enough for Muslims to take over the UK because the German Nazis had similarly small numbers and they took over Germany. Stick with that and argue your damn case.

Crime is not power. Thieves are not politicians, even if politicians can be thieves. Gypsies commit crime and have commited crime in Europe for centuries, but hey.... somehow they're not running Europe and we haven't all adopted a culture of begging and scamming people.

I ask again: You presented a scenario as likely that the UK was likely to become a sharia state because the Nazis were a minority, too. So, following that scenario, argue your damned case or give up on it. Why would the British public vote to impose Sharia law on themselves? What could a Islamist party promise the British that would turn them into dhimmis in their own country?

Because of people in power like this:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 22846.html

Sadiq Khan: London mayor says being prepared for terror attacks 'part and parcel' of living in a major city

Get used to it, it becomes part of every day life, and in turn you accept more than you would otherwise.

I don't see why this is so hard to understand?