North Korea News

[DBTrek]

NK seems to be responding to pressure more than anything. Maybe the peaceniks will meet me half way - let's just deploy our stuff in their theater. Get all the pieces in place, and see what happens. A show of force, with an option to use, or not use the force after we assess their reaction. We can continue to ask China and/or Russia to step in and do something for the next hundred years and expect the same kind of response we've had for the last 65. Let's ask them with an invasion force idling nearby and see if it adequately conveys the sense of urgency we feel toward Kim Jong Un *not* possessing the power to eradicate human life.

... or, you know. Trump can go over there and say Blah, blah blah. Kim Jong Un can respond "Ok, no more nuclear tests if you give us a little something for compensation". They can take our money and goods again, then set off another nuke in five years when their nuke stockpile is 500 times larger. You know - kinda like we've been doing but allowing the global danger to grow exponentially each iteration this time.

[Smitty-48]

NK seems to be responding to pressure more than anything. Maybe the peaceniks will meet me half way - let's just deploy our stuff in their theater. Get all the pieces in place, and see what happens. A show of force, with an option to use, or not use the force after we assess their reaction. We can continue to ask China and/or Russia to step in and do something for the next hundred years and expect the same kind of response we've had for the last 65. Let's ask them with an invasion force idling nearby and see if it adequately conveys the sense of urgency we feel toward Kim Jong Un *not* possessing the power to eradicate human life.

... or, you know. Trump can go over there and say Blah, blah blah. Kim Jong Un can respond "Ok, no more nuclear tests if you give us a little something for compensation". They can take our money and goods again, then set off another nuke in five years when their nuke stockpile is 500 times larger. You know - kinda like we've been doing but allowing the global danger to grow exponentially each iteration this time.

All the NK's want is to be seen having direct talks with the Americans, they're not giving anything up, they're certainly not caving in to any pressure, the Americans have, for decades, refused to even acknowledge Pyongyang, all talks have gone through Moscow and Beijing, the big win for Pyongyang is getting the Americans to come to a table and talk, so they can assert themselves to be players, for domestic consumption, other than that, there's nothing going on here.

There's no suspension of the nuclear program, there's no deescalation, it's a publicity stunt in essence for Pyongyang, which the North Korean's have been seeking for fifty years, Trump is simply giving them, if he actually follows through, what they never could have gotten from any other American administration; a seat at the table with the big boys.

There's not going to be any change on the operational front, the Americans are not going to accept Pyongyang's demands and Pyongyang knows it, all that matters is them getting the picture of Kim Jong Un standing on the big stage with the American President, once they have that; mission accomplished.

[Smitty-48]

Perhaps Trump sees some short term tactical advantage in being able to proclaim his "deal making" bona fides, but in reality, America is getting taken to the cleaners here, the South Korean Lefties who negotiated this nonsense, simply want to have their Sunshine (appeasement) Policy vetted by the Americans, and the North Koreans simply want to have their moment on the big stage to proclaim that they are in the game, other than that, America will simply be made the fool in the end.

The NK's show up, they finally get their photo op with the American President, they go through the motions of having a conversation, then it's right back to nuclear brinkmanship and go fuck yourselves, San Diego.

Trump is getting played, but since he's seemingly rummaging around for ostensible "accomplishments" to hang his hat on, he probably doesn't care too much at this point, he'll spin it as a win, even if it is a loss for America.

[Haumana]

Interesting times indeed. Maybe nothing/more of the same, maybe something historical. Nobody really knows but so many are so sure. I'm still glad that Hillary didn't win because that would have eliminated any possibility of something new.

[Smitty-48]

If you think the North Koreans demands are going to be acceptable to the Americans and the result is going to be a negotiated nuclear deescalation wherein Trump will be proclaimed the Great Peacemaker, you literally are the dictionary definition of a Trumptard, because that's not going to happen, and the reason why Hillary Clinton wouldn't get roped into this, is because she's not a moron, only Trump would be unserious enough to even consider giving the North Koreans their propaganda coup.

Frankly, I doubt the meeting will even go down in the end, once it gets explained to Trump that he's getting played like a violin here and he's going to make American look weak and foolish, because it is in fact America which is caving into North Korea's demands here, and once North Korea has their photo op, they're not going to give America shit in return.

[Haumana]

If you think the North Koreans demands are going to be acceptable to the Americans and the result is going to be a negotiated nuclear deescalation wherein Trump will be proclaimed the Great Peacemaker, you literally are a fuckin' Trumptard huffing Trump farts.

Frankly, I doubt the meeting will even go down in the end, once it gets explained to Trump that he's getting played like a violin here.

Think? I have no thoughts or cares on the matter. I am a dispassionate observer who couldn't give less of a shit. A meeting would be an historical event though, even you cannot deny that. It'll play out how it plays out and everyone who wanted to get a bet in had their time at the window.

[Smitty-48]

If you think the North Koreans demands are going to be acceptable to the Americans and the result is going to be a negotiated nuclear deescalation wherein Trump will be proclaimed the Great Peacemaker, you literally are a fuckin' Trumptard huffing Trump farts.

Frankly, I doubt the meeting will even go down in the end, once it gets explained to Trump that he's getting played like a violin here.

Think? I have no thoughts or cares on the matter. I am a dispassionate observer who couldn't give less of a shit. A meeting would be an historical event though, even you cannot deny that. It'll play out how it plays out and everyone who wanted to get a bet in had their time at the window.

You must have assumed I was referring to you as being a "ZOMG thank goodness we stopped Clinton so Trump could be the Great Peacemaker" Trumptard, but I wasn't actually addressing you specifically, must be you just outing yourself there. /shrug

As for historic event, I'll believe it when I see it, the American President being so weakened as to feel the need to cave into the demands of North Korea would indeed be historic, but I would still leave room for somebody in the Administration to talk Trump out of it before he makes a fool of himself.

[nmoore63]

If you think the North Koreans demands are going to be acceptable to the Americans and the result is going to be a negotiated nuclear deescalation wherein Trump will be proclaimed the Great Peacemaker, you literally are the dictionary definition of a Trumptard, because that's not going to happen, and the reason why Hillary Clinton wouldn't get roped into this, is because she's not a moron, only Trump would be unserious enough to even consider giving the North Koreans their propaganda coup.

Frankly, I doubt the meeting will even go down in the end, once it gets explained to Trump that he's getting played like a violin here and he's going to make American look weak and foolish, because it is in fact America which is caving into North Korea's demands here, and once North Korea has their photo op, they're not going to give America shit in return.

What if the point is that the demands will never be acceptable?

[Smitty-48]

What if the point is that the demands will never be acceptable?

That is the point, which is why no Administration in half a century has given in to the North Korean demands for direct talks, waste of time which would simply make America look weak and foolish; hard pass on that, and rightly so.

[Haumana]

You must have assumed I was referring to you as being a "ZOMG thank goodness we stopped Clinton so Trump could be the Great Peacemaker" Trumptard, but I wasn't actually addressing you specifically, must be you just outing yourself there. /shrug

As for historic event, I'll believe it when I see it, the American President being so weakened as to feel the need to cave into the demands of North Korea would indeed be historic, but I would still leave room for somebody in the Administration to talk Trump out of it before he makes a fool of himself.

Naa, typically one would quote the post they are responding to otherwise the default would be the post order and with yours directly under mine with no reference I thought you were speaking to me. My apologies, carry on. More popcorn.