LET'S BAN GUNS!

[Okeefenokee]

Are there any particular regulations that you feel would makes us safer from one another?

I'm not against background checks, age restrictions & waiting periods.

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So, you already have everything you want.

What the fuck are you on about?

[Okeefenokee]

In practice the bumper ban makes little sense, but, in principle, those bumper stocks really do violate the spirit of the law. If full auto is going to be strictly licensed and controlled like it is, then bumper stocks have to be controlled as well.

But like several people have pointed out, full-auto was not banned because it's more deadly (it's not). It was banned because of the tactical edge it gave to organized criminals by allowing them to suppress fire from police during engagements like bank robberies. They wanted to limit access to these weapons because the state doesn't like people having the same tactical advantages as them (which one could argue itself is an unconstitutional position to take to begin with).

Still, you know they are going to take out those bumper stocks just to do something, and those are an easy target because of their violation of the spirit of the law.

Similar to bullet button requirements in Cali.

Another useless regulation that was gotten around in about two seconds,


For those not in the know, the bullet button restriction requires the mag release button to need to be pressed with something small and thin, like the tip of a bullet. The goal was to make it harder to to press the button that releases the magazine for a loaded mag can be loaded. A fucking three dollar ring made that restriction meaningless.

[Smitty-48]

Pro-tip; Franklin Armory Gen III binary trigger for AR, cuz fuck that bump stock shit, if you want to put a wall of rapid fire downrange through your AR, controlled and accurate, better than automatic, and completely legal?

BFSIII binary trigger, if not for me, do it for America, cuz that bump stock shit is lame.

[Okeefenokee]

Look, I am trying to get a handle on the whole conversation. I'm not very well versed in all the various restrictions, and when some of you talk, you sound as if you would be okay with absolutely no restrictions.

So, excuse me while I'm over here trying to educate myself on what restrictions make sense and which don't. I'm not spouting an opinion because I don't have one, because I am not knowledgeable enough about guns to know what restrictions make sense.

I believe in background checks, waiting periods & age restrictions. Beyond that, I'm not sure what is actually helpful.

Well, glad to have you back, Kath.

We already have those three. You have to decide how far beyond that you're willing to go.

The number one killer of black youths is murder from other black youths.

The number one killer of white youths is car accidents.

Because of demographics, the number one killer of American youths is car accidents, not murder.

Before we get to guns, why wouldn't we address the car accidents?

What car reforms do we need? Are our automobile safety regulations not up to par?

Hint: ours are the most stringent in the world. That's why I couldn't bring my German car home when I left the Army. German cars sold in Germany don't meet American safety requirements.

[Okeefenokee]

I think it's time to stop using negative terms such as ''assault rifles'' from now on they should be refered to as weapons of peace.

Assault rifle is a military term that has a definition. Not that a knowsnothingthefuckatallaboutwhathe'stalkingabout would know that.

AR-15 with a bumper stock is not an assault rifle.

Go read something and come back when you're not another know-nothing gun grabber.

[Okeefenokee]

See, the US switched to M16 and 5-5-6, in like 1964, but it had a terrible reputation from Vietnam, the first M16's were too finicky, they jammed constantly, had to be squeaky clean or they ground to a halt, the M16A1 started to sort out a lot of the early teething problems, but it still wasn't great, so NATO actually wanted no part of 5-5-6 for the longest time, and it wasn't until the M16A2 in 1983, that M16 shook its rep for being a PoS.

There's footage of Americans having to take their M16's apart in Vietnam, strip them down to try to fix them, in peices laid out on a poncho, in the middle of fire fights, you're about to be overrun, and you literally cannot get your M16 to work to save your life, so really, it was the Americans themselves who cursed their own rifle, the rest of NATO just took their word for it.

M16A2 HBAR USMC version circa 1983, that was the first of the good AR's, all the AR's you use now, that's their progenitor.

blame the wiz kidz.

[Okeefenokee]

Yeah but, come on, you know the spirit of the law was to strictly control full-auto (i.e. rapid fire). Also, you could argue the bump stock does not pull the trigger at all. It uses the mechanical motion induced by the recoil to cause the gun mechanically repeat fire, with your finger simply being a static component in the process.

"Spirit of the law" is spurious, there is no "spirit", the law says what the law says, it's not Superman's job to write the laws, but it's not his job to fill in the loopholes neither, free country.

I agree the law allows for this. My point is that this technology is a workaround to do what the law clearly intends for you to not do, and thus the legislature has a responsibility to either defend the intent of their own legislation or repeal it. Having a law that is supposed to strictly control full-auto but not doing anything about bump stocks that simulate full-auto to some extent represents an abrogation of their own responsibilities and their respect for their own legislation. They should have acted to either repeal the old legislation regarding full-auto or to ban those bump stocks. This nebulous in-between stuff is a pariah to a nation built on the rule of law.

I gotta agree. I know the spirit was intended to force a slower rate of fire by limiting it to the speed a finger could pull the trigger, but there was never a limit placed on how fast a finger could pull. If there was, and there is, a person who could pull the trigger at the same pace as a full auto, the law had no bearing on that individual.

I see it as akin to the bullet button. Just another regulation that can be gotten around through legal means. Same as most others. They don't seem to be worth much.

[Okeefenokee]

This is what happens when Hollywood defines us to the rest of the world. They actually believe this shit.

Yeah, you're out of your area here, Smits. Out in the sticks is a completely different situation. We go to church together, and we take our kids to play little league together.

Hell, we even had black dudes riding junior rodeo, dippin' cope, and listenin' to Waylon in the wal-mart parking lot on friday nights with the other white JRA dudes.

It wasn't until I left the sticks and got out into the world that I found out how racist all you city slickers are.

I was talking about the 19th century, why do you guys turn every thread into "no, no, we've love the black man, the black man has absolutely no cause to complain in America, America is the black man's paradise and always has been..."

It's not like I even care, I don't give a shit if you keep the black man down, or shower him with love and affection, doesn't matter to me either way, stop trying to lobby me, I don't take a moralizing position on anything, that might be your thing, but that ain't my thing, ain't me pulling Confederate statues down, I side with the Rebs, just to side against them Yankees, siding against them Yankees is good enough for me, black man nither hur nor thur, never enters into my equation.

Here's how I saw it,

Are you talking about a century ago or today?

Because I live here, and I have lived in Chicago, and I am telling you race relations in the South are far better. People actually get along for the most part and are friendly. In Chicago, there are areas where they will beat, rob, or murder you for being white, and other areas where high-end developers, in collusion with politicians, make life miserable for blacks so they leave the neighborhood.

In Chicago, you could not have a black neighbor for miles, or you could be the only white resident for miles.

Well you have to differentiate between House Negroes and Field Negroes, so a House Negro is like Barack Obama, you let him live in the manor, you know his name, he's on the staff, and you let him do little jobs for you, you can send him out, like a regular servant, you don't put the whip to your House Negro, but the blacks in the ghetto in Chicago? OK, that's your Field Negroes, they are at the bottom of the Negro pecking order.

House Negroes you treat good, they are special, hand picked, but John Cotton never went out on the plantation to be nice to the Field Negroes, "hey, how you niggers doing today? You doing OK? You need a break? How about some coffee? Here, let me help you with that..." lol

The blacks who fled to the North right away, to be ghettoized by the Yankees, that was mostly Field Negroes, the House Negroes were more concerned about their employment status so to say "Do I still have a job? Are these white folk broke now and kicking me out, or can I still work for them?"

If you were top o' the Negro pecking order in the South, going up North to live amongst the Field Negroes in the ghetto, bad idea, that's out of the frying pan into the fire. You'd still be working for the Man, but you'd lose all your seniority and have to start from the bottom again. Also, them Field Negroes up North, they might not treat you so good, maybe they'd be wanting you to know, that bottom rail on top now, applies to you too, Uncle Tom. There was a pecking order amongst the blacks, and the Yankees overthrew that too.

So, yeah. It looks like you are trying to lay race relations in the south from decades ago on top of what is actually going on today, which is total horseshit.

[C-Mag]

Is Jimmy Kimmel just trying to become a Meme


Fucker cries more than Boehner

[Hastur]

Before we get to guns, why wouldn't we address the car accidents?

What car reforms do we need? Are our automobile safety regulations not up to par?

Hint: ours are the most stringent in the world. That's why I couldn't bring my German car home when I left the Army. German cars sold in Germany don't meet American safety requirements.

The biggest difference between european and american safety is the air bag. Since everyone in Europe uses seatbelts our airbags are weaker to take that into account. There's been a lot of work put into trying to synchronize regulations but that was one of the things that made it fall apart.

I think American drivers education and tests seems a ludicrously low bar to pass. I guess it's part of Freeedom! But it's your culture, your rules.