Climate Denier Hard To Refute

[apeman]

[Capitalism will die the same death as Communism.

No it won't.

The people will one day realize we turned our capitalism into communism bit by bit, until it is capitalism in name only.

Neither Capitalism nor Communism will ever die.

[SuburbanFarmer]

[Capitalism will die the same death as Communism.

No it won't.

The people will one day realize we turned our capitalism into communism bit by bit, until it is capitalism in name only.

Neither Capitalism nor Communism will ever die.

By that definition, it's already dead. Both systems have devolved into organized crime. Maybe that's the end-state of any human economic system...

[Martin Hash]

Grumps, you argue against me on Inheritance Tax, then complain about the aristocracy aspect of Capitalism made possible through inheritance. Look beyond your own greed & self-interest if you want to prevent the greed & self-interest of others from overwhelming you.

[Zlaxer]

It's the oldest civilization on earth, by far. And historically, the most stable. Outside of some rebellions, they held shit on lockdown since the dawn of history

No so much - Does the term "warring sates" mean anything to you?

[Speaker to Animals]

They are not older than western civilization either. They are actually relatively new compared to the west.

Some of the Egyptian pyramids are older than the first settlements on the Yellow River..

[Speaker to Animals]

This is why their government propagates these lies:

“Five thousand years of history.” It’s a phrase repeated by both Chinese and non-Chinese. Somehow we are supposed to believe that China has more history than other places. A slightly strange concept anyway, and, regardless of whether you want to define “history” as starting with written records or by the emergence of “civilization” as seen in the first large settlements, the five thousand figure is wrong.

The Shang dynasty (founded around 1600 BC) of the Yellow River valley in northern China is as far back as we have solid archaeological evidence and positive proof of the first written records. Earlier than that, history disintegrates into mythology. But even if you accept the preceding mythical Xia dynasty as the start, it takes you back only to around 2000 BC.

In terms of age, civilizations in other parts of the world precede China. Writing systems in Egypt and Mesopotamia predate Chinese writing by a thousand years. The world’s first city, Uruk, in modern-day Iraq, dates back seven thousand years. Even in comparison to Europe, China isn’t that old. Confucius’ life overlapped with those of Pythagoras and Socrates. China was first unified in 221 BC, a century after Alexander the Great had created the Hellenistic Empire, and just a few centuries before the zenith of the Roman Empire.

Three, three-and-a-half, four millennia — surely all ancient enough. Does it really matter that China doesn’t have five thousand years of history? Yes, it does matter, and not because it’s annoying to have this inaccuracy spouted ad nauseam as historical fact, not to mention the hypocrisy of glorifying history yet so poorly preserving it. The myth is important because of the inference that China is uniquely old and so deserves special consideration. This has real-life consequences. When dealing with China — whether trying to turn a profit or awaiting democratic reforms — the implication is you need to be more patient and just wait a little bit longer. After all, the country has five thousand years of history.

https://camphorpress.com/5000-years-of-history/


The letters we are using to communicate in this forum (Linear B) are older than the civilization in China.

Don't let these Asians pull the wool over eyes like that.

[SuburbanFarmer]

It's the oldest civilization on earth, by far. And historically, the most stable. Outside of some rebellions, they held shit on lockdown since the dawn of history

No so much - Does the term "warring sates" mean anything to you?

I used to love playing Romance of the Three Kingdoms.

It's going to come down to how you define a single "civilization", I guess. You could say that each dynasty was a "different civilization", but that's not very accurate. You could say (as StA did) that the original seytlements were there first in Egypt, but is that a single civilization?

For a common definition, I would look at cultural norms and society. I don't think that we could really say that the Egyptians are as unchanged in 5000 years as the Chinese - especially after being conquered.

No clear answer, I guess. But regardless, China is a really fucking old civilization.

[Speaker to Animals]

China was certainly the first arguable nation state (by a really long margin of time) and therefore the oldest nation state in the world.

But if China is to be a civilization while the entire west is not, and if they deserve extra respect for it, then the people who deserve the most respect are Iraq and Egypt.

Do we say.. take it easy on those guys, they invented agriculture and built the first cities? No. We don't. But if China is supposed to be treated with kid gloves because their nation is old, then they need to take a backseat to the third world.

[Speaker to Animals]

Oh.. hey guys.. don't be so harsh on Greece and their financial woes. They are older than China, after all..

[heydaralon]

Oh.. hey guys.. don't be so harsh on Greece and their financial woes. They are older than China, after all..

I was gonna say the same thing about Subsaharan Africa. Really old civilization. Thats why they have so many good ideas