SARS Pt. 2 - Wuhan Boogaloo

[Speaker to Animals]

so, you single for valentine's day this year or what

Yup.

I mean, I am dating again, but I am broken hearted.

Sorry to hear that. I was genuinely happy for you when you thought you had met ''the one''.

Oh, she is. She isn't likely going to find a dude more compatible than me, and vice versa. We shall see what happens. Papa Bear can smash younger ladies day in and day out.

[Montegriffo]

Yup.

I mean, I am dating again, but I am broken hearted.

Sorry to hear that. I was genuinely happy for you when you thought you had met ''the one''.

Oh, she is. She isn't likely going to find a dude more compatible than me, and vice versa. We shall see what happens. Papa Bear can smash younger ladies day in and day out.

So, have you changed your metaphorical Facebook profile to ''it's complicated''?

[Speaker to Animals]

Sorry to hear that. I was genuinely happy for you when you thought you had met ''the one''.

Oh, she is. She isn't likely going to find a dude more compatible than me, and vice versa. We shall see what happens. Papa Bear can smash younger ladies day in and day out.

So, have you changed your metaphorical Facebook profile to ''it's complicated''?

It's changed to open for business. We shall see how long this lasts.

[Hastur]

I'm selfishly glad you're back StA.

You should listen to the Sweeny vs Bard podcast.

Everything is religion. The Nazis and the Stalinists didn't think they followed a religion but they did. False religions. Organizing human interaction is religion. Total rationality is a pipe dream. Very few people know enough to let science guide every desission. It's not a practical solution. Individualism is also just a false religion. No man is an island.

We need to build a new religion that will guide us going forward.

[heydaralon]

ndividualism is also just a false religion. No man is an island.

We need to build a new religion that will guide us going forward.

There are some Stalinists and Nazis that you should meet. They have a way forward.

You are 100% right that all ideas man concocts including individualism are religions of sorts. The difference is, collectivism is still a religion and yields shitty results just about 100% of the time.

Its kind of funny, because every single pernicious thinker from Rousseau to Marx rejects individualism like you do. What never occurs to them is that their cure is worse than the disease. You aren't going to be saved by the collective. Quite the opposite in fact.

There are not solutions for inequality, greed, etc. They are human nature.

[heydaralon]

To be honest, its kind of amazing to me how many people want to jettison personal liberty because they don't agree with how people live their lives. To me it is especially ironic, because everyone on this forum is a fucked weirdo that society does not agree with. If we abandoned liberty, we'd all be in gulags.

[SuburbanFarmer]

If Thinking in religious terms, this comes down to the belief in your personal importance vs the greater good.

The motive toward collectivism is an ancient one. It’s what got out out of eating shit in caves. It’s the tribal model that we all long for on some level. It’s truly The Thing that sets us apart from the animals.

The issue is merely where to draw the tribal line. It’s true that if we all embraced a global consciousness, humanity would be in a better place. It’s of course true that, if we really tried to live in equality, all would be better off.

However, it’s human nature that also ruins the vision. Greed, corruption, pride, sloth - all the classics are inherently the downfall of a group cohesion.

So, the only way to enforce it is with a strict religious code of personal behavior. Even a messianic figure to show the example. Then the people themselves enforce compliance, through social norms and group shaming.

Collectivism has history been the domain of the Big Three religions. However, modern attempts have all tried to emulate the model without the religious component, through brute force and patriotism.

In that light, it’s really just the Old Collectivists abhorring the New School. Both equally capable of devastation, simply using different control mechanisms.

[GloryofGreece]

If Thinking in religious terms, this comes down to the belief in your personal importance vs the greater good.

The motive toward collectivism is an ancient one. It’s what got out out of eating shit in caves. It’s the tribal model that we all long for on some level. It’s truly The Thing that sets us apart from the animals.

The issue is merely where to draw the tribal line. It’s true that if we all embraced a global consciousness, humanity would be in a better place. It’s of course true that, if we really tried to live in equality, all would be better off.

However, it’s human nature that also ruins the vision. Greed, corruption, pride, sloth - all the classics are inherently the downfall of a group cohesion.

So, the only way to enforce it is with a strict religious code of personal behavior. Even a messianic figure to show the example. Then the people themselves enforce compliance, through social norms and group shaming.

Collectivism has history been the domain of the Big Three religions. However, modern attempts have all tried to emulate the model without the religious component, through brute force and patriotism.

In that light, it’s really just the Old Collectivists abhorring the New School. Both equally capable of devastation, simply using different control mechanisms.

Psychopaths vs altruistics one on one win Everytime but as groups or tribes altruism beats a group of psychopaths . You can really only be altruistic with your in group. You turn the other cheek for your brother not your enemy .

[Montegriffo]

One UK case ordered a fucking uber to the ER. Fucking moron. Might have to disown those guys. I dunno.

Now known as a fluber.

[Hastur]

ndividualism is also just a false religion. No man is an island.

We need to build a new religion that will guide us going forward.

There are some Stalinists and Nazis that you should meet. They have a way forward.

You are 100% right that all ideas man concocts including individualism are religions of sorts. The difference is, collectivism is still a religion and yields shitty results just about 100% of the time.

Its kind of funny, because every single pernicious thinker from Rousseau to Marx rejects individualism like you do. What never occurs to them is that their cure is worse than the disease. You aren't going to be saved by the collective. Quite the opposite in fact.

There are not solutions for inequality, greed, etc. They are human nature.

The problem with all the collectivism is when it gets coercive. It has to be volontary. Otherwise you will end with a boy farao.