Au Revoir, Paris Accord?

[Haumana]

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Lots of money has been spent by those making money with pollution like big oil, coal, carmakers to cast doubt, to prevent effective efforts to solve the problem. Much like big tobacco did.

Saying it's the kooks, and ineffective solutions, that are the problems, rather than the actual problem and those profiting from its continuing existence is at best illogical.

Why it never brought up the amount of money Al Gore, Elon Musk, etc are spending to convince everyone they are Kreskins? Or the amount of money they are positioned to make while saving the Earth?

Elon Musk's growing empire is fueled by $4.9 billion in government subsidies

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-h ... story.html

[Smitty-48]

You Americans do like air conditioning, right? Yeah, Green Power prices, you can kiss that shit goodbye, or spend your kids college fund on it, whatevs.

The Liberals here went big into Green Power; trust me, you're not going to like it.

[TheReal_ND]

South Americans don't use AC

[Smitty-48]

And when I say you're not going to like it, I mean shoot them liberals now before it's too late not going to like it, because people here aren't even into guns, and they are ready to start shooting people, bet dat.

When people here got the bill for the windmills, yeah, the Liberals dropped to 9% in the polls, but it's too late now, the windmills is built, the contracts are signed, and the manufaturers, are heading to Mexico, where the power is cheap and plentiful.

[jbird4049]

Jbird, dude,you're going to need to link to examples of what you're talking about.

If you drive a gas automobile, you are the problem. If you you use oil-powered electricity, you are the problem. If you heat your house with natural gas, you are the problem. Big Oil, whoever, is only The Problem because you enable them.

Who needs Paris? Buy some fucking solar panels, ride your bike, wear a wool jacket.

I'm one fat middle age college student driving a jalopy and living in a "cheap" apartment with his ancient tabby. Asking me for the solutions or saying I'm part of the problem is problematic shall we say?

I believe it was Exxon's R&D did the basic research 2-3 decades ago that confirmed that burning fossil fuels causes global warming which would cause climate change. The initial response of the company was to take advantage of this. Do the research, develop the technology, sell it, save the planet and make more boat loads of money. Win-win!

There was a change of management early on, and the decision was made to focus on as much profit as could be gotten now and not what could be gotten in 20 years.

Did you notice that the growing pressure to deal with climate change faded in the United States. Why do you think that happened? Here's a hint. What happened between us the Surgeon General's report on tobacco in 1964 and big tobacco CEOs congressional testimony in 1994?

[Smitty-48]

I'm one fat middle age college student driving a jalopy and living in a "cheap" apartment with his ancient tabby.

Green Energy is gonna crush the likes of you most of all, you're cutting your own throat, son, you ain't cutting mine, I'm retired and well to do, I can afford the power, I just write a cheque, I don't even notice, but folks like you here, they're having to choose between Green power and food, shit you not.

You ain't gonna be a disgusting fatbody for long, once you get the bill for them windmillls, either that, or you can freeze in the dark.

[jbird4049]

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Lots of money has been spent by those making money with pollution like big oil, coal, carmakers to cast doubt, to prevent effective efforts to solve the problem. Much like big tobacco did.

Saying it's the kooks, and ineffective solutions, that are the problems, rather than the actual problem and those profiting from its continuing existence is at best illogical.

Why it never brought up the amount of money Al Gore, Elon Musk, etc are spending to convince everyone they are Kreskins? Or the amount of money they are positioned to make while saving the Earth?

Elon Musk's growing empire is fueled by $4.9 billion in government subsidies

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-h ... story.html

And when I say you're not going to like it, I mean shoot them liberals now before it's too late not going to like it, because people here aren't even into guns, and they are ready to start shooting people, bet dat.

When people here got the bill for the windmills, yeah, the Liberals dropped to 9% in the polls, but it's too late now, the windmills is built, the contracts are signed, and the manufaturers, are heading to Mexico, where the power is cheap and plentiful.

Of course, they can make more profit by making in Mexico. Note more not no profit.

The lot of you think that because some people are idiotic fools, or be corrupt politicians and businesses are looking to make money over all this some negates the problems and the need for solutions.

It doesn't. It just means we have to deal with foolishness, idiocy, and corruption as always.

[Smitty-48]

The only corporations that scammed people here, was the Green Energy windmill companies, I have a friend who ran his production plant here, and he didn't want to go to Mexico, the company had been in the town for a hundred years, he likes it here, he likes the workers here, but he just said "can't afford these power prices, quadrupled in two years, just can't stay here, this Green Power is breaking us."

Everybody knows the score here, like I said, the Liberals are single digits in the polls, they are going to get anihilated in the next election for this Green Power disaster, but it's too late now, there's no getting out of it that easy, people are going to find out the hard truth of it, no matter who they elect now.

The corruption was liberals and their Green Energy dingbat utopian scams, just tellin' you America, stop them now, before it's too late, becuase even if you shoot them after, it'll be too late then.

[jbird4049]

I'm still toying with this idea I heard of using this climate change narrative against the left or at least in our interests. See the thing is, this started with the "population bomb" but it's moved on to "ice age" to "global warming" to climate change. Which could be real no doubt. But if the answer to this is subsidizing third world economies so they can burn whatever fuels they will why we try to use panels and mills that aren't up to the task yet that's bad.

Worse yet, they say that people in the first world utilize the most resources and that's true. Our populations are declining so that's good except these fucking tools are open borders and letting more and more people in to use more and more resources. That's bad.

There's got to be a way to show them that if climate change is in fact real, and it could be, they are implementing the most retarded strategy they could devise to combat it.

Apples, oranges, and bananas.

1) Declining birth rates for several decades now.
2) See Borlung and the Green Revolution (One man can make a difference.)
3) Ice Age is coming claim based on one magazine article using inaccurate data from a study about 30 years ago. And a lot more carbon dioxide is now in the air. So global cooling might be needed to counter global warming. Of there is still ocean acidification threatening shellfish and corals.
4) Fossil Fuel use creates more carbon dioxide which traps heat which raises temperatures which changes the climate.

[TheReal_ND]

You're pants on head retarded.

No. Youre fucking programmed. You can't explain why you want to import the world instead of letting the population equalize to normative levels. You're a faggot and a half if you think importing people into a society where they have more access to resources is going to help the environment.