Brexit

[Montegriffo]

Difference is these are tax paying, legal immigrants who speak perfect English. Really makes me smile when they correct someones grammer.

[Ex-California]

Difference is these are tax paying, legal immigrants who speak perfect English. Really makes me smile when they correct someones grammer.

Please tell me that typo was intentional.

These jobs will be filled. If the residents aren't filling them its because they aren't paying true market rate. The only reason to import immigrant labor is to fill jobs that don't pay the market rate for the locale

[Montegriffo]

Not the only reason, lack of skill sets is also important. Doctors are well paid but we have a real shortage and that is the reason we are importing them in large numbers from India.
26 % of doctors and consultants in the NHS are non-British.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... th-service

[Zlaxer]

Not the only reason, lack of skill sets is also important. Doctors are well paid but we have a real shortage and that is the reason we are importing them in large numbers from India.
26 % of doctors and consultants in the NHS are non-British.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... th-service

Perhaps you have a shortage of British Born docs because the Indian MDs are able to undercut them since their med school/cost of living is lower - in such a case, you're fucking your own citizens over by depressing their wages....It's just like what we do in the US with engineers and the H1B visas.....

[Zlaxer]

Not the only reason, lack of skill sets is also important. Doctors are well paid but we have a real shortage and that is the reason we are importing them in large numbers from India.
26 % of doctors and consultants in the NHS are non-British.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... th-service

Perhaps you have a shortage of British Born docs because the Indian MDs are able to undercut them since their med school/cost of living is lower - in such a case, you're fucking your own citizens over by depressing their wages....It's just like what we do in the US with engineers and the H1B visas.....

*Subjects

[Zlaxer]

90% of immigration issues are the result of irresponsible birth rates in "developing" countries....more people in a shithole means their willing to do more for less to escape...which in turn incentivizes them to go the the first world where they depress wages and lower the quality of life (in the long term) for the citizens of whatever country they move to.....The 1% have been exploiting this for the last 30 years. I'm not saying Indian MDs arn't good....I'm just saying the overall effect of continuous wage depression is bad...and, it allows wage depression to occur on the lower income scales...If the proles can afford MD visits (whether stated subsidized or not), they won't put pressure on the government to keep the 1% in check.....so as long as proles are kept fat and happy via cheap goods and services, the 1% can rape the shit out of the economy.....while it works in the short term - it's completely unsustainable over the long term...

I think we're pretty close to the breaking of capitalism point in the US.....and that doesn't even count the effects of automation.

[ssu]

90% of immigration issues are the result of irresponsible birth rates in "developing" countries....more people in a shithole means their willing to do more for less to escape...which in turn incentivizes them to go the the first world where they depress wages and lower the quality of life (in the long term) for the citizens of whatever country they move to.....The 1% have been exploiting this for the last 30 years. I'm not saying Indian MDs arn't good....I'm just saying the overall effect of continuous wage depression is bad...and, it allows wage depression to occur on the lower income scales...If the proles can afford MD visits (whether stated subsidized or not), they won't put pressure on the government to keep the 1% in check.....so as long as proles are kept fat and happy via cheap goods and services, the 1% can rape the shit out of the economy.....while it works in the short term - it's completely unsustainable over the long term...

I think we're pretty close to the breaking of capitalism point in the US.....and that doesn't even count the effects of automation.

Irresponsible? Actually what are irresponsible birth rates are found in the First World.

Zlaxer, you should actually check the current birth rate stats as many countries, even Muslim ones, don't have any more high birth rates.
Places that have a lower fertility rate than 2 (which means that the population size will decrease if there isn't net immigration) are countries like Tunisia, Azerbaidjan, Iran, Uzbekistan, etc. Singapore, which was earlier afraid of population growth and made restrictions on family size now has a fertility rate at 0,83. Now that's irresponsible.

And in the global picture, here is one of the reasons why World GDP isn't growing as quickly as it used to:



If the above graph goes way below two, we are in deep shit. (Ideal solution would be 2.0 at some stage)

With wealth and prosperity rate the fertility rate goes down: you don't have to make babies to guarantee that you are looked after when you are old. A pension plan is for that. Besides, population growth is the most natural way for any economy to grow: if the population grows, demand goes up and so there's a need for more supply, more jobs.

[Zlaxer]

90% of immigration issues are the result of irresponsible birth rates in "developing" countries....more people in a shithole means their willing to do more for less to escape...which in turn incentivizes them to go the the first world where they depress wages and lower the quality of life (in the long term) for the citizens of whatever country they move to.....The 1% have been exploiting this for the last 30 years. I'm not saying Indian MDs arn't good....I'm just saying the overall effect of continuous wage depression is bad...and, it allows wage depression to occur on the lower income scales...If the proles can afford MD visits (whether stated subsidized or not), they won't put pressure on the government to keep the 1% in check.....so as long as proles are kept fat and happy via cheap goods and services, the 1% can rape the shit out of the economy.....while it works in the short term - it's completely unsustainable over the long term...

I think we're pretty close to the breaking of capitalism point in the US.....and that doesn't even count the effects of automation.

Irresponsible? Actually what are irresponsible birth rates are found in the First World.

Zlaxer, you should actually check the current birth rate stats as many countries, even Muslim ones, don't have any more high birth rates.
Places that have a lower fertility rate than 2 (which means that the population size will decrease if there isn't net immigration) are countries like Tunisia, Azerbaidjan, Iran, Uzbekistan, etc. Singapore, which was earlier afraid of population growth and made restrictions on family size now has a fertility rate at 0,83. Now that's irresponsible.

And in the global picture, here is one of the reasons why World GDP isn't growing as quickly as it used to:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -2050.html

Africa's population to double to 2.4 billion by 2050

If the above graph goes way below two, we are in deep shit. (Ideal solution would be 2.0 at some stage)

With wealth and prosperity rate the fertility rate goes down: you don't have to make babies to guarantee that you are looked after when you are old. A pension plan is for that. Besides, population growth is the most natural way for any economy to grow: if the population grows, demand goes up and so there's a need for more supply, more jobs.

We don't need continuous population growth - GDP is going down because of automation, not because of population decline.....we're becoming more efficient...which seems like should push GDP up...but....you don't pay machines a wage, i.e., they don't buy shit,...thus, their output doesn't push GDP up as much as manual labor...I would offer that the need for most countries to continuously take on massive amounts of new debt to keep their social programs going, in order to prevent riots, is a good indication that the world has a population increasing in both numbers and in poverty....sure the bottom of the floor has improved for the 99%...they're not as poor as they were 50 years ago....but their rise is pulling down the quality of life for the 95%...and, if the trend continues....everyone outside the 1% will eventually be back to the bottom floor....in other words, the poor of the world are making momentary gains in their quality of life by undercutting the world's middle class....but in the end, everyone but the top falls back down.....

IMHO - World population needs to come down a few billion (through attrition not extermination)....we have the technology right now to easily support a population of 4 Billion - i.e., commodity priced would fall and free up resources, used to clothes, house, feed, and entertain, 6 Billion people, to other use, e.g., space exploration and/or other major scientific projects....

[Montegriffo]

Not the only reason, lack of skill sets is also important. Doctors are well paid but we have a real shortage and that is the reason we are importing them in large numbers from India.
26 % of doctors and consultants in the NHS are non-British.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... th-service

Perhaps you have a shortage of British Born docs because the Indian MDs are able to undercut them since their med school/cost of living is lower - in such a case, you're fucking your own citizens over by depressing their wages....It's just like what we do in the US with engineers and the H1B visas.....

Pay scales in the NHS are standardised across the board, you can't undercut a British born healthcare worker as an immigrant.
One of the major factors in the shortage of NHS employees is the fact that private healthcare pays better. The NHS trains the majority of doctors, nurses etc who work for the minimum amount of time set out in their contracts then jump ship to private medicine where they are better paid. Private healthcare companies don't have the expense of training and are able to use NHS trained workers who are tempted by the higher wages. This then leads to shortages and the need to employ foreign workers. These imported workers are not working for less money than British doctors, they are an absolute necessity to keep the NHS working. The NHS does not have the money to train more doctors so they look to foreign workers to fill vacancies. The NHS is subsidising private healthcare which only the rich have access to.

Hash has worked for the NHS, ask him if he worked for less than a British doctor with the same experience doing the same job.

[Ex-California]

Not the only reason, lack of skill sets is also important. Doctors are well paid but we have a real shortage and that is the reason we are importing them in large numbers from India.
26 % of doctors and consultants in the NHS are non-British.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... th-service

Perhaps you have a shortage of British Born docs because the Indian MDs are able to undercut them since their med school/cost of living is lower - in such a case, you're fucking your own citizens over by depressing their wages....It's just like what we do in the US with engineers and the H1B visas.....

Nailed it