LET'S BAN GUNS!

[Smitty-48]

And tell you what, my one second four tap? Way, way more accurate than a short busrt on auto, it's the best of both worlds, just as fast as auto for all intents and purposes tactical, but in a tight group with no rise, and you what it was?

I just watched videos of competitive shooters doing it, and then I practiced. There oughta be a law? Against what, practice?



It's not about the gun, it's all about the shooter, if the shooter has a super trigger finger glove? Hey, that's the shooter, not the gun, maybe if the law adressed the real issue, which is that it's not about the guns, then the law wouldn't be so stupid to start off with, and it wouldn't run into these sorts of problems.

[Smitty-48]

Look at it more abstractly. If Congress is telling us that some issue is so dire and pressing that they must pass legislation to strictly regulate said issue for our protection, then what exactly do they belie about themselves when somebody invents a workaround that exploits the poor language of their legislation to do generally what they sought to prohibit, and yet they did nothing about it? Either the issue was not pressing and the legislation should be repealed, or the legislation was poorly-written to allow for a loophole that put people in danger again, and they have a duty to act by shoring up their poorly-written law.

Oh please, they wrote a giant loophole into the law to start off with, any machine gun which is 1986 or older, totally legal, you can buy it, you can shoot it, any machine gun 1987 or newer? Suddenly illegal, totally arbitrary based on them not wanting to piss established and politically connected collectors off at the time they were passing it, it was bad law from the get go; fuck that law, and the horse it rode in on.

The shooter was in Nevada, machine guns are legal in Nevada, according to congress, if the shooter had bought a belt fed sustained fire general purpose machine gun, so long as it was older than 1986; totally legal. In Nevada, the guy could have conceivably opened up on that crowd, with an M2 Browning .50 cal, just haul it up the elevator disassembled, and assemble it in the room, ain't no thang, and, totally legal.

Bump stock? Bump stock?! Niggah please, this is Nevada, they're just lucky it wasn't an M60, John Rambo styles.

[Okeefenokee]

He chose 5.56x45mm at 500 yards, and then he fired it on fully automatic, that literally saved hundreds of lives, he chose the wrong caliber weapon for engaging at that range, and then he just sprayed rounds instead of taking aimed shots, that's why there is so many wounded, but not so many dead, if he had chosen the correct caliber for that range, and then took single aimed shots with it, it would have been exponentially worse.

If an ex-military guy like me decided to go postal like that, it would be the opposite, 529 killed and 59 wounded.

Yeah, but you know what, Smitty?

Ex-military guys aren't usually homicidal psychopaths. The more training they've had, the more have they been screened. They might be unsocial, they might have personal problems and in the end some might commit suicide, but they seldom go and want to murder as many people as the possibly can before committing murder.

Just like all the professionals that use explosives in their work. Now those people could also do "far more better" bomb attacks, know how much it will take to have a building truly collapse instantly, which causes maximum damage. But you know what, for some reason, they don't do it.

It's some fucking loon with serious mental problems...

This psycho was just a bit older, so I guess he thought about how to do it.

Yeah, that's true, but on the other hand, you don't actually have to serve in the military to train to be an operator these days, it's all OSINT now, I think it's just a matter of time until a homemade operator pulls a stunt like this, and he's not gonna spray n' pray with an AR, he'll take his time, slow is smooth, smooth is fast, that's all you need to know, it's not about the gun, it's not about the drill instructors, it's all about tactics, and those tactics, you can get on youtube now, no problemo.

Later that morning, Whitman rented a hand truck and cashed $250 (equivalent to $1,800 in 2016) worth of bad checks at a bank. He drove to a hardware store, where he purchased a Universal M1 carbine, two additional ammunition magazines, and eight boxes of ammunition, telling the cashier he planned to hunt wild hogs.[7]:32 At a gun shop he purchased four more carbine magazines, six additional boxes of ammunition, and a can of gun cleaning solvent.[11] At Sears he purchased a Sears Model 60 12 gauge semi-automatic shotgun before returning home.[12]

Whitman sawed off the barrel and butt stock of the shotgun, then packed it into his footlocker, along with a Remington 700 6-mm bolt-action hunting rifle, a .35-caliber pump rifle, a .30-caliber carbine (M1), a 9-mm Luger pistol, a Galesi-Brescia .25-caliber pistol, a Smith & Wesson M19 .357 Magnum revolver, and more than 700 rounds of ammunition. He also packed food, coffee, vitamins, Dexedrine, Excedrin, earplugs, jugs of water, matches, lighter fluid, rope, binoculars, a machete, three knives, a transistor radio, toilet paper, a razor, and a bottle of deodorant.[7]:31 He put khaki coveralls on over his shirt and jeans.

[Okeefenokee]

Reminds me of

beat me to it

[Okeefenokee]

It's not psycopaths, that's a misdiagnosis, psycopaths do not go on suicide missions, ever, self preservation, regime surivival, is the highest imperative to a psychopath, they don't even want to get caught, never mind go down swinging, psycopaths are all about stealth, they never come out guns a blazing. The mass shooters are not psycopaths, they're not crazy at all, they're not hallucinating, they're not irrational, this is just regular folk, who become enraged, to the point of being suicidal, and then decide to take a few with them when they go, cruel, perhaps, but not crazy.

Too narrow definition of a psycho, I say.

Anybody that goes to kill anybody they just possibly can has serious mental problems and a serious lack of empathy. Now they might not have the violent antisocial behaviour before, that's true, but at the moment they do show it. So you can call them psychopaths. Motivation being angry about something is telling.

I know someone already said this, but psychopathy does actually have a definition. That the word has been thrown around so much that the meaning has been lost doesn't change that.

[Smitty-48]

Yeah, but you know what, Smitty?

Ex-military guys aren't usually homicidal psychopaths. The more training they've had, the more have they been screened. They might be unsocial, they might have personal problems and in the end some might commit suicide, but they seldom go and want to murder as many people as the possibly can before committing murder.

Just like all the professionals that use explosives in their work. Now those people could also do "far more better" bomb attacks, know how much it will take to have a building truly collapse instantly, which causes maximum damage. But you know what, for some reason, they don't do it.

It's some fucking loon with serious mental problems...

This psycho was just a bit older, so I guess he thought about how to do it.

Yeah, that's true, but on the other hand, you don't actually have to serve in the military to train to be an operator these days, it's all OSINT now, I think it's just a matter of time until a homemade operator pulls a stunt like this, and he's not gonna spray n' pray with an AR, he'll take his time, slow is smooth, smooth is fast, that's all you need to know, it's not about the gun, it's not about the drill instructors, it's all about tactics, and those tactics, you can get on youtube now, no problemo.

Later that morning, Whitman rented a hand truck and cashed $250 (equivalent to $1,800 in 2016) worth of bad checks at a bank. He drove to a hardware store, where he purchased a Universal M1 carbine, two additional ammunition magazines, and eight boxes of ammunition, telling the cashier he planned to hunt wild hogs.[7]:32 At a gun shop he purchased four more carbine magazines, six additional boxes of ammunition, and a can of gun cleaning solvent.[11] At Sears he purchased a Sears Model 60 12 gauge semi-automatic shotgun before returning home.[12]

Whitman sawed off the barrel and butt stock of the shotgun, then packed it into his footlocker, along with a Remington 700 6-mm bolt-action hunting rifle, a .35-caliber pump rifle, a .30-caliber carbine (M1), a 9-mm Luger pistol, a Galesi-Brescia .25-caliber pistol, a Smith & Wesson M19 .357 Magnum revolver, and more than 700 rounds of ammunition. He also packed food, coffee, vitamins, Dexedrine, Excedrin, earplugs, jugs of water, matches, lighter fluid, rope, binoculars, a machete, three knives, a transistor radio, toilet paper, a razor, and a bottle of deodorant.[7]:31 He put khaki coveralls on over his shirt and jeans.

He fails the Assaulters course tho; too many different types of weapons, pointlessly, and none of them optimal for mass casualty infliction at 500 yards, he went more geardo than snake eater there; RTU.

1 x 7.62x51mm DMR, with lots and lots of mags, trumps all that junk he was packing there; humpin' too much kit, cherry, and the one thing you needed to bring, you didn't bring it.

[clubgop]

Say what you want about National Review but boy can this motherfucker write.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/in- ... 915fda94af

Reacting to this argument, we often hear advocates of gun control propose that the Founders’ observations are irrelevant because they could “not have imagined the modern world.” I agree with the latter assertion: They couldn’t have. As well-read in world history as they were, there is no way that they could have foreseen just how prescient they were in insisting on harsh limitations of government power. In their time, “tyranny” was comparatively soft — their complaints focused on under-representation and the capricious restriction of ancient rights. In the past century, by contrast, tyranny involved the systematic execution of entire groups and the enslavement of whole countries. The notion that if James Madison had foreseen the 20th century he would have concluded that the Bill of Rights was too generous is laughable.

[Okeefenokee]

This is what happens when Hollywood defines us to the rest of the world. They actually believe this shit.

Yeah, you're out of your area here, Smits. Out in the sticks is a completely different situation. We go to church together, and we take our kids to play little league together.

Hell, we even had black dudes riding junior rodeo, dippin' cope, and listenin' to Waylon in the wal-mart parking lot on friday nights with the other white JRA dudes.

It wasn't until I left the sticks and got out into the world that I found out how racist all you city slickers are.

[Okeefenokee]

Great.

"I used to believe you could own a gun for hunting or home defense, but now another tragedy happened, and all the late night comedians are talking, and all my FB friends are yowling, so fuck your rights because criminals murder people, ok!"

Well, fuck you too, PartyOf5.

FUUUUUCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKK

[Okeefenokee]

I was actually talking to that Partyof5 guy, when he said "I'm done siding with Americans who want non-hunting non-self defense weapons", which, clearly not all of you are familiar with the term Militia after all.

"Just for hunting and self defense in extremis", that's actually a thing, it's called Canada.

I can go buy an AR15, I could go hunting in hunting season, and if you try to kill me, I could legally shoot you in self defense, you don't need a 2nd Amendment just to do that, the Queen will let me do that too.

Ah, ok. Gotcha.

You know, if American do-gooders really want to abridge our rights to "save lives", then it's time to zero in on the fatties. All these fat fucking American internet shut-ins who are always agitating to fix the world by fucking everyone else over, I say "It's your turn".



Look at what's killing Americans.
Holy shit . . . guns aren't even on there. I mean, they may be a subset of suicide, but even then, only a subset.

Let's start saving some lives, eh folks? I call for a complete ban on fast food, candy, and soda, for all Americans who are overweight. Healthy BMI will provide an acceptable exclusion to this law, but if you're overweight and it's not due to muscle, then ol' DBTrek is here to save you from yourselves, and all it takes is a little "rational abridgement" of your rights.

Let's not be hypocrites folks. If we're going to save everyone through government restrictions on personal freedoms then it's time to tackle the 500 pound gorilla. Clearly Americans are not responsible enough to handle so much freedom. Surely our Founders never envisioned the Happy Meal when they wrote that "pursuit of happiness" bit in the Declaration of Independence. It's up to us to save eachother, and government is the tool of our salvation, right?

Not to shit on your point, but I'm going to shit on your point. Well, maybe not, since I'm just talking out my ass on this one, so you can dismiss it.

Heart disease is old age. Or rather, dying of old age is dying of heart disease, as in, if nothing else gets you, heart disease will. Always has.

Number one killer in America is heart disease because the number one killer in America is old age.