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[Speaker to Animals]

Are you sure you're not confusing the Internet with the World Wide Web?

The WWW is a layer on top of the Internet...

Pretty sure you are talking to a software engineer, dude.

[jbird4049]

Wow... you are so wrong on so many levels...

The internet was never meant to be a secure communication tool. It was meant to be a way to allow free flowing information and ideas. It was originally designed to allow colleges and universities to exchange ideas, it was never meant for the general public, after ARPANET that is.

The security you are now expecting was added onto it as an afterthought.

And on a side note, the consent was given when you signed a contract with your ISP... it's written into the fine print.

Using the internet is just about essential for living in modern society. There is no consent to give or take back in the dense, confusing, multi-page 8 point type contract especially when there's a monopoly where you live, or maybe dial-up. Students, businesses, researchers, anyone really, have no other options.

Further, everything from my cousin's Facebook page to this website to your bank account to the security of nuclear reactors depends on a reliable secure internet. If we don't have it, we have problems.

The main purpose of the internet was never meant to be for public consumption in it's current form. It was designed for schools, universities, and entities such as DARPA to share data freely.

What it has become is nothing short of amazing, but it was never designed to do what it is doing now... we have built layers upon layers of security and protections on top of it... and most people still haven't realized it's all for not because the core basis of the system is nothing short free and open sharing on information.

Your "protection" still doesn't fix the inherent problem with the internet, which is that it's not secure, and never has been. Internet 2.0 is a better step in the protection scheme of things, but it is not, nor will it be there till people realize that the only way to be truly secure is not to be on it.

There must be ways to have most or at least many of the interwebs uses without every black hatted security, police, business, and social voyeur looking at you in your metaphoric underwear.

[Mercury]

The main purpose of the internet was never meant to be for public consumption in it's current form. It was designed for schools, universities, and entities such as DARPA to share data freely.


Your "protection" still doesn't fix the inherent problem with the internet, which is that it's not secure, and never has been. Internet 2.0 is a better step in the protection scheme of things, but it is not, nor will it be there till people realize that the only way to be truly secure is not to be on it.

It was built for protecting the communications grid, as it was at the time, in the case that a hub might be taken out in a nuclear attack.

Dude, I'm still not sure what you mean by Internet 2.0. A few weeks ago, you were saying Web 2.0, which is content-based shit like wikis and, to some extent, social media.

[Speaker to Animals]

The government made a second internet about fifteen years ago. It's basically an improved version of the ARPAnet that became our internet. It connects research departments, government labs, military installations, etc. into a more secure network. I think it runs through the same trunks as the regular internet, though, so it's not totally separate. It's just a different network.

100 Gbps...

[The Conservative]

Using the internet is just about essential for living in modern society. There is no consent to give or take back in the dense, confusing, multi-page 8 point type contract especially when there's a monopoly where you live, or maybe dial-up. Students, businesses, researchers, anyone really, have no other options.

Further, everything from my cousin's Facebook page to this website to your bank account to the security of nuclear reactors depends on a reliable secure internet. If we don't have it, we have problems.

The main purpose of the internet was never meant to be for public consumption in it's current form. It was designed for schools, universities, and entities such as DARPA to share data freely.

What it has become is nothing short of amazing, but it was never designed to do what it is doing now... we have built layers upon layers of security and protections on top of it... and most people still haven't realized it's all for not because the core basis of the system is nothing short free and open sharing on information.

Your "protection" still doesn't fix the inherent problem with the internet, which is that it's not secure, and never has been. Internet 2.0 is a better step in the protection scheme of things, but it is not, nor will it be there till people realize that the only way to be truly secure is not to be on it.

There must be ways to have most or at least many of the interwebs uses without every black hatted security, police, business, and social voyeur looking at you in your metaphoric underwear.

There is, that is why "we" only see less than 10% of the internet at best... There are three shades of the internet, there is what we see, there is the "dark web" and the "deep web"...

Here is the problem, the internet we see is literally the tip of the iceberg... the "deep web" is the part we can see barely under the surface, it's there but not indexed. The "Dark Web" is what we don't see, and where all the fun happens. The Dark Web is encrypted, part of the internet that is neither indexed, or findable unless you know where to look.

Realistically, there are two variants of the internet we see as well... there is the part such as CNN, here, etc... there are other parts of the web such as the adult sites, etc, which is larger than we think. Both are searchable, but there is a part of this web that is also broken down into a section that people use such as "child porn" etc... the part that is searchable and "ugly"... also smut sites, and snuff, etc...

It's hard to explain... but if we want to break the internet into places that keep these separated we are going to need a "big brother"... and that means a greater police state, which we don't want...

[Mercury]

The government made a second internet about fifteen years ago. It's basically an improved version of the ARPAnet that became our internet. It connects research departments, government labs, military installations, etc. into a more secure network. I think it runs through the same trunks as the regular internet, though, so it's not totally separate. It's just a different network.

100 Gbps...

Thanks for posting the link. Checking this out

[Zlaxer]

Are you sure you're not confusing the Internet with the World Wide Web?

The WWW is a layer on top of the Internet...

Pretty sure you are talking to a software engineer, dude.

IPv6 has fixed many of the security issues with IPv4 - and TC is correct - the World Wide Web is an application layer that for the most part rides over TCP, which rides over IP, which rides over a bunch of shiiieeet.....the Internet, not WWW, is the collection of networks...

[Zlaxer]

The WWW is a layer on top of the Internet...

Pretty sure you are talking to a software engineer, dude.

IPv6 has fixed many of the security issues with IPv4 - and TC is correct - the World Wide Web is an application layer that for the most part rides over TCP, which rides over IP, which rides over a bunch of shiiieeet.....the Internet, not WWW, is the collection of networks...

And I am a software engineer

[Zlaxer]

Pretty sure you are talking to a software engineer, dude.

IPv6 has fixed many of the security issues with IPv4 - and TC is correct - the World Wide Web is an application layer that for the most part rides over TCP, which rides over IP, which rides over a bunch of shiiieeet.....the Internet, not WWW, is the collection of networks...

And I am a Computer Scientist...not some code monkey Software Engineer

[Zlaxer]

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IPv6 has fixed many of the security issues with IPv4 - and TC is correct - the World Wide Web is an application layer that for the most part rides over TCP, which rides over IP, which rides over a bunch of shiiieeet.....the Internet, not WWW, is the collection of networks...[/quote]

And I am a Computer Scientist...not some code monkey Software Engineer