Our Guy Flynn

[StCapps]

If it was a shade of grey, they wouldn't need to stonewall with an obvious lie, the WH version of events is total bullshit on the face of it, while the media version of events is seeming much more plausible all the time.

Like, If the WH came out and said the truth "the Logan Act is an obscure legislation from 1799 which is unconsitutional and shouldn't even be on the books, and moreover, we didn't undermine the United States by speaking with the Russians, we were speaking with the Russians in the interests of the United States, and if these clowns in Congress want to charge somebody under the Logan Act, we will fight it all the way to the supreme court!"

OK, that would not only be grey, but it would be the truth, and it would be MAGA, but what the WH is actually doing, is lying through their teeth about it, which makes it seem like this little Flynn thing being outed so far, is actually just the tip of the iceberg, and they are stonewalling, because there is much more to it than just this one incident, and they can't come out and tell the truth, because things will start to get even sketchier, once the ball of yarn starts to unravel.

You think the WH telling the truth will sell better than the lie. That's where you are going astray. Trump thinks telling the truth will be worse than a lie and that doesn't only have to be because it's just the tip of the iceberg. The lie is just sexier than the truth on this one Smitty, so Trump feels he's gotta lie as well to jazz up his counter case. The lie is better clickbait, that's obvious.

The truth plays great to folks like me and you, but the Democrats can spin the truth if the WH played it that way and I think you are sleeping on their ability to spin the truth to their advantage when they aren't restrained by it.

[ssu]

Spicer isn't making this into a big deal, he's downplaying the fuck out of it.

Is downplaying to say that the "Level of trust between the President and general Flynn had eroded to a point, where he (Trump) had to make a change. The President was very concerned, that the general had mislead the Vice President and others".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfZalz3nZMA

That is not what I call downplaying an incident. Why don't you just listen to Trump's official speaker on the subject.

[StCapps]

Spicer isn't making this into a big deal, he's downplaying the fuck out of it.

Is downplaying to say that the "Level of trust between the President and general Flynn had eroded to a point, where he (Trump) had to make a change. The President was very concerned, that the general had mislead the Vice President and others"

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfZalz3nZMA[/youtube]

That not what I call downplaying an incident. Why don't you just listen to Trump's official speaker on the subject.

That's called downplaying it, when the media is claiming they have Flynn dead to rights violating the Logan Act, unnamed sources claim.

[Smitty-48]

They've got Flynn dead to rights, no FISA required, if he's talking to the Russians, then he conspires with them and in doing so violates the Logan Act, that's busted, that's the whole reason why the NSA is allowed to conduct the intercept if one party is an American and the other is a foreign target, in case the American is conspiring with the foreigners, which apparently he was.

Honestly, this is the one thing that has me confused.

What the fuck was Flynn thinking? He's by all accounts a smart man. He was Director of the DIA for god sake. Did he not understand at the moment the Obama administration was kicking out all these Russian diplomats that, oh, I don't know, the NSA might be listening?

Did he just assume he was untouchable, and it didn't matter if the NSA listened, or did he really think a soon to be deported Russian diplomat's cell phone was a secure line?

I think he was calling them out, this is what Flynn does, he doesn't agree with a rule, so he breaks it, and fuck em' if they don't like it, that rule was stupid anyways, but moreover, I don't think he did it on his own, I think he got the President to authorize it first, then he did it, fuck em' if they don't like it, and that is what is causing all the panic now, Flynn did it, but he got the President to clear it first, and Trump just didn't have the background as to what it was he was authorizing and that it could in fact be a felony, but now the lawyers are telling Trump that it is a felony, at which point Trump has now pulled the switch on the Save Me Pence Emergency Response (lying through our teeth) Plan

[ssu]

Trump just didn't have the background as to what it was he was authorizing and that it could in fact be a felony, but now the lawyers are telling Trump that it is a felony, at which point Trump has now pulled the switch on the Save Me Pence Emergency Response (lying through our teeth) Plan

Likely so. And likely they had been already so much in touch with the Russians they thought this wouldn't matter.

[StCapps]

Trump just didn't have the background as to what it was he was authorizing and that it could in fact be a felony, but now the lawyers are telling Trump that it is a felony, at which point Trump has now pulled the switch on the Save Me Pence Emergency Response (lying through our teeth) Plan

Likely so. And likely they had been already so much in touch with the Russians they thought this wouldn't matter.

Likely that you two are just speculating and are way off the mark.

[ssu]

That's called downplaying it, when the media is claiming they have Flynn dead to rights violating the Logan Act, unnamed sources claim.

Downplaying is not to say that an advisor has lost trust with the President and the President acts. First and foremost, it ought to have (which some later tried to say it was) only Flynn's own personal decision and that the President wasn't at first wanting to let him go, but then decided OK, and that they left in great terms.

Downplaying & keeping it under the rug is to say that Flynn was abruptly resigning for personal issues. And that Trump thanked the enormous effort Flynn had already made to the administration and earlier the campaign and was saddened by general Flynn's departure.

That would be downplaying it.

[Smitty-48]

See, Flynn makes complete sense to me, because Flynn is me, and I am Flynn, when I was in the military, I was just like Flynn, I pulled stunts like this all the time, that's why I love Flynn, not because he is perfect, because he is just like me, Flynn and me, we're kin like that, fellow travellers, breakers of stupid rules, loud and proud, and fuck em' if they don't like it, go ahead and charge my ass, muthafuckahs, I'll do that time standing on my head.

"Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima fucking culpa"- Commander Richard Marcinko (also just like Flynn)

I know Flynn did this deliberately "fuck the Logan Act", and I know he got Trump to green light it first, because that's exactly what I would do too.

[StCapps]

That's called downplaying it, when the media is claiming they have Flynn dead to rights violating the Logan Act, unnamed sources claim.

Downplaying is not to say that an advisor has lost trust with the President and the President acts. First and foremost, it ought to have (which some later tried to say it was) only Flynn's own personal decision and that the President wasn't at first wanting to let him go, but then decided OK, and that they left in great terms.

Downplaying & keeping it under the rug is to say that Flynn was abruptly resigning for personal issues. And that Trump thanked the enormous effort Flynn had already made to the administration and earlier the campaign and was saddened by general Flynn's departure.

That would be downplaying it.

So is what they did, just not to same degree. Downplaying is diminishing the importance of the resignation, just because he could have downplayed it even more than he did doesn't he isn't downplaying it.

[Smitty-48]

That's called downplaying it, when the media is claiming they have Flynn dead to rights violating the Logan Act, unnamed sources claim.

Downplaying is not to say that an advisor has lost trust with the President and the President acts. First and foremost, it ought to have (which some later tried to say it was) only Flynn's own personal decision and that the President wasn't at first wanting to let him go, but then decided OK, and that they left in great terms.

Downplaying & keeping it under the rug is to say that Flynn was abruptly resigning for personal issues. And that Trump thanked the enormous effort Flynn had already made to the administration and earlier the campaign and was saddened by general Flynn's departure.

That would be downplaying it.

Exactly, and you wouldn't do it in a panic, spur of the moment, you'd wait awhile, let it go for a few weeks, then have Flynn resign on the "personal issues" rubric, and have his replacement right there ready to go. The fact that they are doing this in such an obvious panic, and so obviously lying through their teeth while they do, lends credence to the suspicion, that the whole Russia thing is much bigger than just Flynn, tip of the iceberg is showing, but underneath, they've got a big ol' Russia problem, and it could get out of hand, like Special Prosecutor out of hand, if they can't nip this thing in the bud.

They're trying to put it all on Flynn, Flynn the Rogue Agent, Flynn doing this all on his own, nobody knew what Flynn was doing, and Flynn was keeping them all in the dark, has nothing to do with their expansive relationsip with the Russians going back months and even years, it's just Flynn, and if they can just put it all on Flynn and make Flynn go away, then maybe it will all just go away...

...not bloody likely, but when people get panicky this is how they react.