Climate Denier Hard To Refute

[Zlaxer]

China operates under natural law - Natural law says kill or be killed. Do you really see the PRK having a come to Jesus moment where they start acting responsibly?


I don't think you truly understand the nature of the threat the PRK poses to the rest of the world. The party leaders don't give a fuck anyone but themselves....at some point - If China doesn't reform, the world is going to have to deal with China - the only other alternative is to live in accordance with their values....

People's Republic of Kampuchea, or Korea? Neither of those are China.

And again, our leaders are doing exactly the same thing. Neither China nor the US will change what they do. No matter what, they're tied to the cart as it rolls over the cliff. Starting a war over it makes no sense whatsoever.

Grow food.

*Typo - PRC.

And no - As bad as the ruling class in the West is - it's no where near as evil or as selfish as the PRC. Who funds most of the private research into clean power tech? Who sets aside the most land as preserves? Who buys the most land in the Rainforrest to set aside as preserves? Who started environmentalism?

Answer - Elite OWGs.....

[SuburbanFarmer]

China operates under natural law - Natural law says kill or be killed. Do you really see the PRK having a come to Jesus moment where they start acting responsibly?


I don't think you truly understand the nature of the threat the PRK poses to the rest of the world. The party leaders don't give a fuck anyone but themselves....at some point - If China doesn't reform, the world is going to have to deal with China - the only other alternative is to live in accordance with their values....

People's Republic of Kampuchea, or Korea? Neither of those are China.

And again, our leaders are doing exactly the same thing. Neither China nor the US will change what they do. No matter what, they're tied to the cart as it rolls over the cliff. Starting a war over it makes no sense whatsoever.

Grow food.

*Typo - PRC.

And no - As bad as the ruling class in the West is - it's no where near as evil or as selfish as the PRC. Who funds most of the private research into clean power tech? Who sets aside the most land as preserves? Who buys the most land in the Rainforrest to set aside as preserves? Who started environmentalism?

Answer - Elite OWGs.....

You misunderstand me. I didn't mean our political "leaders". I meant the people actually running our society. Our government is simply incompetent and corrupt. The masters are in boardrooms across the country, with zero care for anything other than profit.

Those people do not. care. about anything.

Regardless, the effect is the same. Whether it's China's shitty government, or our psycho megacorps, the destruction will continue until it's no longer profitable. And it will always be profitable. The only rational answer (on a large scale) would be to change the incentives, or do away with corporations somehow. That's not going to happen, so.... grow food.

[Speaker to Animals]

So.. are you saying.. This is a "moral failing that destroys our fellow man every day. Only by living under the Laws of Progressive God could they have saved themselves from ruin"?

[SuburbanFarmer]

So.. are you saying.. This is a "moral failing that destroys our fellow man every day. Only by living under the Laws of Progressive God could they have saved themselves from ruin"?

LOL nice try.

No, the system needs to be changed. Capitalism is meeting the same sorry end as Communism did - massive corruption eating it from the inside out. It's unavoidable, unless we put an AI in charge.

I don't know what's next, but it won't be pretty. Maybe our grandkids will come up with something better.

[heydaralon]

So.. are you saying.. This is a "moral failing that destroys our fellow man every day. Only by living under the Laws of Progressive God could they have saved themselves from ruin"?

LOL nice try.

No, the system needs to be changed. Capitalism is meeting the same sorry end as Communism did - massive corruption eating it from the inside out. It's unavoidable, unless we put an AI in charge.

I don't know what's next, but it won't be pretty. Maybe our grandkids will come up with something better.

After 2008, people were saying that Capitalism is finished. Whatever your thoughts on it, you have to be impressed at how resilient it is. I don't know how much longer this current form of capitalism will last, but I have serious doubts about any system coming in and replacing it. I can't think of a good alternative. As for AI, people just assume that robots would do a better job than humans because they are supposedly impartial. As a thought experiment, would you want to be governed by perfectly impartial AI? Would that lead to a better or worse outcome for you? Humans are obsessed with fairness, yet I have my suspicions that a perfectly fair world would appear nightmarish to many people. This is all moot, because even if humans made an AI that could govern, the programmers would put their own human flaws and features into the code, and over time viruses imperfections, and problems would emerge.

[SuburbanFarmer]

So.. are you saying.. This is a "moral failing that destroys our fellow man every day. Only by living under the Laws of Progressive God could they have saved themselves from ruin"?

LOL nice try.

No, the system needs to be changed. Capitalism is meeting the same sorry end as Communism did - massive corruption eating it from the inside out. It's unavoidable, unless we put an AI in charge.

I don't know what's next, but it won't be pretty. Maybe our grandkids will come up with something better.

After 2008, people were saying that Capitalism is finished. Whatever your thoughts on it, you have to be impressed at how resilient it is. I don't know how much longer this current form of capitalism will last, but I have serious doubts about any system coming in and replacing it. I can't think of a good alternative. As for AI, people just assume that robots would do a better job than humans because they are supposedly impartial. As a thought experiment, would you want to be governed by perfectly impartial AI? Would that lead to a better or worse outcome for you? Humans are obsessed with fairness, yet I have my suspicions that a perfectly fair world would appear nightmarish to many people. This is all moot, because even if humans made an AI that could govern, the programmers would put their own human flaws and features into the code, and over time viruses imperfections, and problems would emerge.

Depends (like everything) on how exactly it's implemented. You could use it to determine the most efficient food delivery system across the nation (or globe), where to direct fuel/energy shipments, etc. Leave the "feels" and legislation to humans, but resource management should definitely be controlled by AI.

Capitalism will die the same death as Communism. The system will continue to lurch along until it can't anymore. I suspect that the final trigger will be a financial coup by China, pulling their credit, and assuming Global Reserve Currency status. Once that happens, who the hell knows.

The world has been running on 'funny money' since government realized that they couldn't afford WWI, but really, really wanted to do it anyway. The outcome is inevitable.

[Speaker to Animals]

I think AI will eventually run the economy.

[heydaralon]

LOL nice try.

No, the system needs to be changed. Capitalism is meeting the same sorry end as Communism did - massive corruption eating it from the inside out. It's unavoidable, unless we put an AI in charge.

I don't know what's next, but it won't be pretty. Maybe our grandkids will come up with something better.

After 2008, people were saying that Capitalism is finished. Whatever your thoughts on it, you have to be impressed at how resilient it is. I don't know how much longer this current form of capitalism will last, but I have serious doubts about any system coming in and replacing it. I can't think of a good alternative. As for AI, people just assume that robots would do a better job than humans because they are supposedly impartial. As a thought experiment, would you want to be governed by perfectly impartial AI? Would that lead to a better or worse outcome for you? Humans are obsessed with fairness, yet I have my suspicions that a perfectly fair world would appear nightmarish to many people. This is all moot, because even if humans made an AI that could govern, the programmers would put their own human flaws and features into the code, and over time viruses imperfections, and problems would emerge.

Depends (like everything) on how exactly it's implemented. You could use it to determine the most efficient food delivery system across the nation (or globe), where to direct fuel/energy shipments, etc. Leave the "feels" and legislation to humans, but resource management should definitely be controlled by AI.

Capitalism will die the same death as Communism. The system will continue to lurch along until it can't anymore. I suspect that the final trigger will be a financial coup by China, pulling their credit, and assuming Global Reserve Currency status. Once that happens, who the hell knows.

The world has been running on 'funny money' since government realized that they couldn't afford WWI, but really, really wanted to do it anyway. The outcome is inevitable.

I'm not an economist, but I read somewhere that we own as much Chinese debt as they own of ours. Their economy is also largely based on servicing ours. A poor analogy would be the guy at the intersection who runs a squeegee over your windshield. He might get rich doing that, but he could never get richer than you. Additionally, China's economy is subject to the same sort of fuckery that ours is, if not moreso. I read this book years ago, that China engages in rampant Enron style accounting and uses various shell companies to shuffle around their debt. They build real estate bubbles, making ghost towns that no one lives in, to give their middle classes something to invest in. Don't be political in China, but we will give you guaranteed growth is the unofficial deal the Communist Party makes with their subjects. Pollution and environmental devastation is also far worse there. In many ways, that country feels like a house of cards. I'm not claiming to know more about this than you, I just feel like China is far from taking the head of the world table.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Oh I completely agree. China is a corrupt shithole bubble, just like us.

But they're still planning a move anyway. They're the only possible candidate for Reserve Status after our checks finally run out. And that will be a very strange time to be alive.

[Speaker to Animals]

China is not just like us. China is an epic Potemkin Village.