North Korea News

[The Conservative]

Is it possible the US and PRC have agreed that the US will invade, then the PRC will occupy?

Most likely.. we will *not* be invading but doing naval and air strikes, and if there is any occupying, the Chinese will do that.

If we cross the DMZ, China is going to war.

You think too highly of China if you think that.

[C-Mag]

I reading another NorK Soldier defected, this time, No North Koreans fired at him.

A North Korean soldier defected to South Korea early on Thursday, a South Korean defence ministry official said.

The low-ranking North Korean soldier defected across the heavily militarized border between North and South Korea at around 8:04 am and no shots were fired, the official said.

Two other North Koreans aboard a "non-powered" fishing boat defected to South Korea on Wednesday, a Unification Ministry official reportedly said.

This is how Communism went down in Europe. People just started crossing the border and guards no longer followed the laws of the exhalted leaders. Then the walls came down.

[Smitty-48]

I reading another NorK Soldier defected, this time, No North Koreans fired at him.

A North Korean soldier defected to South Korea early on Thursday, a South Korean defence ministry official said.

The low-ranking North Korean soldier defected across the heavily militarized border between North and South Korea at around 8:04 am and no shots were fired, the official said.

Two other North Koreans aboard a "non-powered" fishing boat defected to South Korea on Wednesday, a Unification Ministry official reportedly said.

This is how Communism went down in Europe. People just started crossing the border and guards no longer followed the laws of the exhalted leaders. Then the walls came down.

No, that's not how it went down, first there was Glasnost and the Soviets began to stand down, then the Hungarians actually lowered the Iron Curtain first, so the East Germans started going through Hungary, then once they made it through, other people started to get the idea that it was doable, then the East Germans started agitating in East Germany, and the Soviets did not come to the aid of the East German government. It wasn't spontaneous, there was a process whereby Gorbachev sent signals to the Warsaw Pact that the Soviets were no longer prepared to hold the line, then things started to unravel from there.

The collapse of the Iron Curtain was not grass roots, it was top down, from Moscow. Wasn't an uprising, until Gorbachev gave the green light by indicating that Moscow wasn't going to do anything about it.

Bear in mind, had been tried before, Hungary in 56', Czechoslovakia in 68', and both times the Soviets crushed it mercilessly, so nobody would have made a move, until they realized that the Soviets were not going to intervene this time.

[C-Mag]

I reading another NorK Soldier defected, this time, No North Koreans fired at him.

Bear in mind, had been tried before, Hungary in 56', Czechoslovakia in 68', and both times the Soviets crushed it mercilessly, so nobody would have made a move, until they realized that the Soviets were not going to intervene this time.

It's far too early to tell if anything is really going on in NorK. I was responding to the fact that this is the first time in my memory that border runners from North Korea have not been fired on by NorK guards. Maybe it's happened I hadn't heard about it. It would be pretty awesome if Km Jong IIIs regime collapsed like many other communist regimes.

Do you think it's possible ? Likely ?

[Smitty-48]

I reading another NorK Soldier defected, this time, No North Koreans fired at him.

It's far too early to tell if anything is really going on in NorK. I was responding to the fact that this is the first time in my memory that border runners from North Korea have not been fired on by NorK guards. Maybe it's happened I hadn't heard about it. It would be pretty awesome if Km Jong IIIs regime collapsed like many other communist regimes.

But that was routine on the Trace as well, handfuls of people defected all the time, but there was no mass waves of people defecting, until the Soviets gave the green light.

The first thing that actually happened, was that the Soviets commenced a withdrawal from East Germany, the reason why the East German government was in no position to crack down, which, they did want to, was that Group Soviet Forces in Germany was no longer backing them up.

Do you think it's possible ? Likely ?

No, not with North Korea, it's not the same situation, they're not the Soviets, and the regime is not unstable, it's not broke, and it's not lifting restrictions, there is no Glasnost in North Korea, they are not where the Soviets were in 1989, the North Koreans are still where the Soviets were in the 1930's.

[Smitty-48]

I mean, Mikhail Gorbachev really did end the Cold War, almost single handedly, if it hadn't been for him, things would have gone much differently, first he took the jackboots off the throats of the Warsaw Pact, then things started to move after. If the Soviets hadn't moved first, the East Germans never would have moved, if Erich Honecker had had the Soviets backing him up, he would have crushed that uprising with ease. And he most certainly wanted to crush it, and he asked Moscow for help, but Gorbachev said no.

The Wall coming down was not the collapse of Communism by the way, it was simply the collapse of the Warsaw Pact and associated Trace, at that point, Gorbachev was not intending to bring the Soviet Union down, he was actually trying to save it. They could no longer maintain the front, but they were pulling back, to try to save themselves, reduce the burden, so the Soviet Union could go on.

There was never any Glasnost in the DDR, Honecker was no Gorbachev, Honecker was old school, the East Germans were hardcore to almost the very last moment, so the East Germans did not move first, it was Moscow who pulled the rug out from under them.

[kybkh]

What does he mean by this?

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/946460939578167296

[C-Mag]

What does he mean by this?

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/946460939578167296

To Hell with the Limit on Fish

[SuburbanFarmer]

The Chinese, which are totally-not-backing-North-Korea, seem awfully excited about a war in Korea this week.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01- ... war-report

A Chinese province along the border with North Korea is seeing an influx of Chinese tanks, soldiers, and military trucks, according to the DailyNK and the Daily Star.

According to the same report, People’s Liberation Army (PLA) forces have been building up military assets in the cover of the night around the Tumen River in Yanji city, Jilin province, which borders North Korea.

Chinese authorities have reportedly told local residents near the Northern Korean border: “Trump to hit North Korea in the New Year, we are preparing for war on the peninsula.”

And according to the Daily Star: Chinese military officials have recently conducted the so-called “war ceremony” – urging their troops to be ready to fight.

[Smitty-48]

According to clickbait sites like the Daily Star and Zerohedge? Yeah, OK, whatever.

The tension in Beijing right now, seems to be more related to the Russians, the Russians are back to their old tricks of using Pyongyang to leverage Beijing, so Chinese force redeployments these days are probably more about sending a message to Putin not Trump.

The Chinese haven't done anything to indicate that they are preparing to back North Korea, the Russians on the other hand have begun deploying Tu-95MS strategic nuclear bombers into North Korean airspace in response to the US sending B-2's over South Korea, so if anything is spooking the Chinese, it's probably that, the area where the build up is supposedly happening, is on the Russian border as much as it is on North Korea's border.

The Chinese pose no threat to US forces from there, that area there, is Russia's backyard.

The Russians and Chinese are frenemies as best, contrary to the GrumpyCat ZOMG Trump Domino Theory, it's always been the Russians who were backing North Korea, to stick it to Beijing more than anything.

Frankly, in the event of tensions boiling over, it's actually more likely that the Russians and Chinese would come to blows, over the Russians intruding in China's asserted sphere of influence, the Chinese expect Russia to bow down to them now, but the Russians seem determined to let the Chinese know that they are still a force to be reckoned with.

Neither one is in the same weight class as the US, neither could realistically prevail against the Americans, but against each other, that's a much more even matchup, China having the size advantage perhaps, but the Russians packing much more firepower.