Swiss may have best immigration policy.

nmoore63
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Re: Swiss may have best immigration policy.

Post by nmoore63 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:13 am

Smitty-48 wrote:The Zulus had guns, the British defeated the Zulus by mass and logistics, after the initial engagements caught the British off guard, they simply sent a bigger army and overwhelmed them.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ulundi

Zulu manpower 3 to 1 over the British.

Still got waxed.

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Re: Swiss may have best immigration policy.

Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:20 am

nmoore63 wrote:
Smitty-48 wrote:The Zulus had guns, the British defeated the Zulus by mass and logistics, after the initial engagements caught the British off guard, they simply sent a bigger army and overwhelmed them.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ulundi

Zulu manpower 3 to 1 over the British.

Still got waxed.
They didn't lose the war in one battle, the British had by that juncture driven them into a kill zone, by the mass and logistics of the entire British war effort brought to bear in the wake of the early engagements, wherein an overconfident British force was caught off guard by the scope and ferocity of Zulu resistance to limited British punitive incursions.
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Re: Swiss may have best immigration policy.

Post by nmoore63 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:26 am

Smitty-48 wrote:
nmoore63 wrote:
Smitty-48 wrote:The Zulus had guns, the British defeated the Zulus by mass and logistics, after the initial engagements caught the British off guard, they simply sent a bigger army and overwhelmed them.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ulundi

Zulu manpower 3 to 1 over the British.

Still got waxed.
They didn't lose the war in one battle, the British had by that juncture driven them into a kill zone, by the mass and logistics of the entire British war effort brought to bear in the wake of the early engagements, wherein an overconfident British force was caught off guard by the scope and ferocity of Zulu resistance to limited British punitive incursions.
When you used the phrase “sent in a bigger army and overwhelmed them” to me I thought you were trying to say superior numbers of troops.

I agree the guns aspect was less important than resources and logistics.

Regardless “maxim gun” was simply a symbolic example for my exercise.

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Re: Swiss may have best immigration policy.

Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:31 am

The initial British incursion was an army of 16,000, when that failed to get the job done, they sent another 25,000, total Zulu warriors in the whole country estimated to be 35,000, but the Zulus did not have the logistics to bring their entire force to bear at any given time, citizen soldiers in effect, they couldn't all be on the battlefield at once.
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Re: Swiss may have best immigration policy.

Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:38 am

To wit, even if the Zulus somehow win that battle 15,000 against 4,000 British, whatever Zulus survived that, still have another 37,000 British troops to deal with.

Assuming the British don't just send another 25,000, because by that point the prestige of the Empire was on the line and the British were pretty much committed to keep coming until the Zulus either capitulated or were wiped out,
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