LET'S BAN GUNS!

[Smitty-48]

Liberals in America have lost this war, it's over, just move on already, if you want Canadian style gun control, move to Canada, otherwise, just feggit about it, it's not in play, culture is destiny, Americans are not even going to give up fully automatic with drum magazines, the ATF didn't even balk at the Bump Stock, that's all you need to know, they were just like "whatever, people want them, let's not fall on our swords about it, boys, not worth it..."

Loophole, fine, whatever, just use the loophole, they don't even care anymore, they don't need the grief, even the ATF is moving on...

[Speaker to Animals]

If the law strictly controls licensing for full-auto, then the bump stock should have been banned outright. It obviously violates the spirit of the law. The law might be stupid, but there's a point to defending it or repealing it, but not just ignoring it.

[Smitty-48]

If the law strictly controls licensing for full-auto, then the bump stock should have been banned outright. It obviously violates the spirit of the law. The law might be stupid, but there's a point to defending it or repealing it, but not just ignoring it.

The law is the law, they defined automatic as "continuous fire with a single trigger pull", but that's not what these loopholes do, they're all mechanisms for pulling the trigger over and over, just doing it really, really fast, it's a super trigger finger, and that is not "automatic" by the definition of the law, there is no "spirit", it is or it isn't, and it isn't, and technicality, is what law is all about.

If Superman can pull the trigger so fast, that it's as fast as automatic, then too bad, Superman can pull the trigger as fast as he can and pleases to, free country, Superman ain't illegal, don't say that he is.

[Speaker to Animals]

If the law strictly controls licensing for full-auto, then the bump stock should have been banned outright. It obviously violates the spirit of the law. The law might be stupid, but there's a point to defending it or repealing it, but not just ignoring it.

The law is the law, they defined automatic as "continuous fire with a single trigger pull", but that's not what these loopholes do, they're all mechanisms for pulling the trigger over and over, just doing it really, really fast, it's a super trigger finger, and that is not "automatic" by the definition of the law, there is no "spirit", it is or it isn't, and it isn't, and technicality, is what law is all about.

Yeah but, come on, you know the spirit of the law was to strictly control full-auto (i.e. rapid fire). Also, you could argue the bump stock does not pull the trigger at all. It uses the mechanical motion induced by the recoil to cause the gun mechanically repeat fire, with your finger simply being a static component in the process.

I have obviously never fired a rifle with such a stock, but it seems to me from what I am seeing on youtube that these guys are not "pulling" the trigger at all.

[Smitty-48]

Yeah but, come on, you know the spirit of the law was to strictly control full-auto (i.e. rapid fire). Also, you could argue the bump stock does not pull the trigger at all. It uses the mechanical motion induced by the recoil to cause the gun mechanically repeat fire, with your finger simply being a static component in the process.

"Spirit of the law" is spurious, there is no "spirit", the law says what the law says, it's not Superman's job to write the laws, but it's not his job to fill in the loopholes neither, free country, how does Superman pull that trigger so fast? He just does, and until somebody writes a law against super fast trigger fingers, there's no law against it.

[Speaker to Animals]

Yeah but, come on, you know the spirit of the law was to strictly control full-auto (i.e. rapid fire). Also, you could argue the bump stock does not pull the trigger at all. It uses the mechanical motion induced by the recoil to cause the gun mechanically repeat fire, with your finger simply being a static component in the process.

"Spirit of the law" is spurious, there is no "spirit", the law says what the law says, it's not Superman's job to write the laws, but it's not his job to fill in the loopholes neither, free country.

I agree the law allows for this. My point is that this technology is a workaround to do what the law clearly intends for you to not do, and thus the legislature has a responsibility to either defend the intent of their own legislation or repeal it. Having a law that is supposed to strictly control full-auto but not doing anything about bump stocks that simulate full-auto to some extent represents an abrogation of their own responsibilities and their respect for their own legislation. They should have acted to either repeal the old legislation regarding full-auto or to ban those bump stocks. This nebulous in-between stuff is a pariah to a nation built on the rule of law.

[Smitty-48]

Have you seen the Glove? It doesn't even attach to the rifle at all, it's a glove, which allows you to pull the trigger at a thousand rounds per minute, without having anything to do with the rifle itself, it's not attached to the rifle, it's just a glove, which gives you a super trigger finger.

[StCapps]

Have you seen the Glove? It doesn't even attach to the rifle at all, it's a glove, which allows you to pull the trigger at a thousand rounds per minute, without having anything to do with the rifle itself, it's not attached to the rifle, it's just a glove, which gives you a super trigger finger.

That's bad ass. Ubermensch Doubletap.

[Speaker to Animals]

Look at it more abstractly. If Congress is telling us that some issue is so dire and pressing that they must pass legislation to strictly regulate said issue for our protection, then what exactly do they belie about themselves when somebody invents a workaround that exploits the poor language of their legislation to do generally what they sought to prohibit, and yet they did nothing about it? Either the issue was not pressing and the legislation should be repealed, or the legislation was poorly-written to allow for a loophole that put people in danger again, and they have a duty to act by shoring up their poorly-written law.

[Smitty-48]

Have you seen the Glove? It doesn't even attach to the rifle at all, it's a glove, which allows you to pull the trigger at a thousand rounds per minute, without having anything to do with the rifle itself, it's not attached to the rifle, it's just a glove, which gives you a super trigger finger.

That's bad ass. Ubermensch Doubletap.

It's like, I can tap off four rounds per second with an AR, so that like burst fire at 240 rds per minute, which is a slow cyclic rate, but still auto like, I can put four rounds per second into a niggah, like a short burst of auto, papapapap! What you gonna do, outlaw my trigger finger?