Trump takes the fight to ISIS

[Speaker to Animals]

You still need some organized system of welfare. Putting the state in charge of that I think was part of the Big Mistake of the 18th century.

For most of our history going back to the early medieval period, people of means were required to pay a tithe which (theoretically though not always strictly so) would go towards providing hospitals, hospice, orphanages, etc.


It might be possible to imagine something like that in our future where, instead of some single institution doing it all, it would be a collective of institutions such as most of the organized churches in America, the major charities, etc.

The problem with the government doing it is that they create a bureaucracy who's primary purpose is to maintain the bureaucracy, which means keeping people in poverty and dependent. Private charitable organizations have the opposite interest because their motive is to solve as many social problems as possible and they'd love to move along to new problems if they can solve some class of social problems.

They were able to do that, because the power of the state was directed by The Church. It was, effectively, a state-run tax, even though it was supposed to be for the Church.

That's not really how it worked, but I am uninterested in arguing this with a Jacobin. You have your cultlike view of the world and there is not breaking through it.

[SuburbanFarmer]

You still need some organized system of welfare. Putting the state in charge of that I think was part of the Big Mistake of the 18th century.

For most of our history going back to the early medieval period, people of means were required to pay a tithe which (theoretically though not always strictly so) would go towards providing hospitals, hospice, orphanages, etc.


It might be possible to imagine something like that in our future where, instead of some single institution doing it all, it would be a collective of institutions such as most of the organized churches in America, the major charities, etc.

The problem with the government doing it is that they create a bureaucracy who's primary purpose is to maintain the bureaucracy, which means keeping people in poverty and dependent. Private charitable organizations have the opposite interest because their motive is to solve as many social problems as possible and they'd love to move along to new problems if they can solve some class of social problems.

They were able to do that, because the power of the state was directed by The Church. It was, effectively, a state-run tax, even though it was supposed to be for the Church.

That's not really how it worked, but I am uninterested in arguing this with a Jacobin. You have your cultlike view of the world and there is not breaking through it.

Mmkay. Did church officials show up to your farmstead, and beat the 10% out of you, or the King's men?

[Speaker to Animals]

They were able to do that, because the power of the state was directed by The Church. It was, effectively, a state-run tax, even though it was supposed to be for the Church.

That's not really how it worked, but I am uninterested in arguing this with a Jacobin. You have your cultlike view of the world and there is not breaking through it.

Mmkay. Did church officials show up to your farmstead, and beat the 10% out of you, or the King's men?

Church officials. Or, more accurately, you were required to present the tithe to your parish or to the diocese' cathedral.

[SuburbanFarmer]

That's not really how it worked, but I am uninterested in arguing this with a Jacobin. You have your cultlike view of the world and there is not breaking through it.

Mmkay. Did church officials show up to your farmstead, and beat the 10% out of you, or the King's men?

Church officials. Or, more accurately, you were required to present the tithe to your parish or to the diocese' cathedral.

Second part is correct. You'd hand the tithe directly to the Church. However, enforcement was handled by the local lord, under threat of his expulsion from the church. Priests did not, and would not be seen dragging anyone away.

See: Spanish Inquisition. Created and enforced by the State. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition

The Tribunal of the Holy Office of the Inquisition (Spanish: Tribunal del Santo Oficio de la Inquisición), commonly known as the Spanish Inquisition (Inquisición española), was established in 1478 by Catholic Monarchs Ferdinand II of Aragon and Isabella I of Castile.

[Speaker to Animals]

Mmkay. Did church officials show up to your farmstead, and beat the 10% out of you, or the King's men?

Church officials. Or, more accurately, you were required to present the tithe to your parish or to the diocese' cathedral.

Second part is correct. You'd hand the tithe directly to the Church. However, enforcement was handled by the local lord, under threat of his expulsion from the church. Priests did not, and would not be seen dragging anyone away.

See: Spanish Inquisition. Created and enforced by the State. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition

The Tribunal of the Holy Office of the Inquisition (Spanish: Tribunal del Santo Oficio de la Inquisición), commonly known as the Spanish Inquisition (Inquisición española), was established in 1478 by Catholic Monarchs Ferdinand II of Aragon and Isabella I of Castile.

Spanish Inquisition was not part of the Church. The Pope actually tried to shut it down, genius. You confuse it with the earlier Medieval Inquisition. You just don't understand what you are talking about again.

Furthermore, the state doing the foreclosure isn't any different than any other situation where one party takes another to court for debts.

Your Jacobinism is a joke and makes it impossible to discuss topics like this with you.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Church officials. Or, more accurately, you were required to present the tithe to your parish or to the diocese' cathedral.

Second part is correct. You'd hand the tithe directly to the Church. However, enforcement was handled by the local lord, under threat of his expulsion from the church. Priests did not, and would not be seen dragging anyone away.

See: Spanish Inquisition. Created and enforced by the State. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition

The Tribunal of the Holy Office of the Inquisition (Spanish: Tribunal del Santo Oficio de la Inquisición), commonly known as the Spanish Inquisition (Inquisición española), was established in 1478 by Catholic Monarchs Ferdinand II of Aragon and Isabella I of Castile.

Spanish Inquisition was not part of the Church. The Pope actually tried to shut it down, genius. You confuse it with the earlier Medieval Inquisition. You just don't understand what you are talking about again.

Furthermore, the state doing the foreclosure isn't any different than any other situation where one party takes another to court for debts.

Your Jacobinism is a joke and makes it impossible to discuss topics like this with you.

Ok, so the money is going to the bankster that gave you a mortgage. Is he sending out a couple of guys in business suits from the local banking branch, to kick you out of your house? No.

It's fully endorsed by, maintained by, and run by the state on his behalf.

[Okeefenokee]

I'd just be content to bring back the draft for EVERYBODY who wants to vote and have them sign up at 18. If you don't want to vote, then don't sign up for the draft. Seems pretty simple to me.

And I say people have to have a PhD and be rich to vote. (Maybe we should vote on it?)

Paper doesn't really beat rock. You show up to the revolution waving a degree around, you're gonna have a bad time.

[SuburbanFarmer]

I'd just be content to bring back the draft for EVERYBODY who wants to vote and have them sign up at 18. If you don't want to vote, then don't sign up for the draft. Seems pretty simple to me.

And I say people have to have a PhD and be rich to vote. (Maybe we should vote on it?)

Paper doesn't really beat rock. You show up to the revolution waving a degree around, you're gonna have a bad time.

well done

[Martin Hash]

I'd just be content to bring back the draft for EVERYBODY who wants to vote and have them sign up at 18. If you don't want to vote, then don't sign up for the draft. Seems pretty simple to me.

And I say people have to have a PhD and be rich to vote. (Maybe we should vote on it?)

Paper doesn't really beat rock. You show up to the revolution waving a degree around, you're gonna have a bad time.

What R U talking about? You won't know what I'll be doing because you'll be dead from the biologicals, or I'll just hire someone to kill you.

[Okeefenokee]

And I say people have to have a PhD and be rich to vote. (Maybe we should vote on it?)

Paper doesn't really beat rock. You show up to the revolution waving a degree around, you're gonna have a bad time.

What R U talking about? You won't know what I'll be doing because you'll be dead from the biologicals, or I'll just hire someone to kill you.

Cute.

You can't get your own party to listen to you, yet you think you can get conservatives to kill all the veterans so an egg head phd who looks down his nose at them can be king.



That'll work great.