The Left Does not Reason

[DrYouth]

Actually there seemed to be some pretty decent discussion just back a page or two.

I'll be honest... I'm not too sure what this "party switch" thing is about.
The Democrats were the party of the south... and the south switched to the Republicans at some point?

I'm not really sure why this needs to matter...

Anyone want to fill me in?

[Alexander PhiAlipson]

Actually there seemed to be some pretty decent discussion just back a page or two.

I'll be honest... I'm not too sure what this "party switch" thing is about.
The Democrats were the party of the south... and the south switched to the Republicans at some point?

I'm not really sure why this needs to matter...

Anyone want to fill me in?

Are you sure you wouldn't rather discuss Area 51, Bigfoot, or The Bermuda Triangle?

[SuburbanFarmer]

Actually there seemed to be some pretty decent discussion just back a page or two.

I'll be honest... I'm not too sure what this "party switch" thing is about.
The Democrats were the party of the south... and the south switched to the Republicans at some point?

I'm not really sure why this needs to matter...

Anyone want to fill me in?

Well, in another thread, long ago, we had identified 4-5 times in which D and R switched the 'liberal' and 'conservative' ideals, throughout American history. I simply asked to consider whether this was another instance of that polar switch happening, and the Alt-Right members lost their collective shit.

I'm not terribly well versed in when/how the switches occurred, but there has been plenty of research done on the topic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realigning_election
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political ... ted_States

The most obvious example of course, which is constantly trotted out around here, would be that Lincoln was a Republican, while Democrats in the 1960s were heavily invested in civil rights.

[Speaker to Animals]

Actually there seemed to be some pretty decent discussion just back a page or two.

I'll be honest... I'm not too sure what this "party switch" thing is about.
The Democrats were the party of the south... and the south switched to the Republicans at some point?

I'm not really sure why this needs to matter...

Anyone want to fill me in?

Well, in another thread, long ago, we had identified 4-5 times in which D and R switched the 'liberal' and 'conservative' ideals, throughout American history. I simply asked to consider whether this was another instance of that polar switch happening, and the Alt-Right members lost their collective shit.

I'm not terribly well versed in when/how the switches occurred, but there has been plenty of research done on the topic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realigning_election
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political ... ted_States

The most obvious example of course, which is constantly trotted out around here, would be that Lincoln was a Republican, while Democrats in the 1960s were heavily invested in civil rights.

Then the New Deal was implemented by conservatives?

[SuburbanFarmer]

Actually there seemed to be some pretty decent discussion just back a page or two.

I'll be honest... I'm not too sure what this "party switch" thing is about.
The Democrats were the party of the south... and the south switched to the Republicans at some point?

I'm not really sure why this needs to matter...

Anyone want to fill me in?

Well, in another thread, long ago, we had identified 4-5 times in which D and R switched the 'liberal' and 'conservative' ideals, throughout American history. I simply asked to consider whether this was another instance of that polar switch happening, and the Alt-Right members lost their collective shit.

I'm not terribly well versed in when/how the switches occurred, but there has been plenty of research done on the topic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realigning_election
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political ... ted_States

The most obvious example of course, which is constantly trotted out around here, would be that Lincoln was a Republican, while Democrats in the 1960s were heavily invested in civil rights.

Then the New Deal was implemented by conservatives?

If you scoot your mouse pointer up about juuuuuuuuust an inch above these words, you'll find some interesting links that will help explain for you how that happened.

[Speaker to Animals]

Well, in another thread, long ago, we had identified 4-5 times in which D and R switched the 'liberal' and 'conservative' ideals, throughout American history. I simply asked to consider whether this was another instance of that polar switch happening, and the Alt-Right members lost their collective shit.

I'm not terribly well versed in when/how the switches occurred, but there has been plenty of research done on the topic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realigning_election
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political ... ted_States

The most obvious example of course, which is constantly trotted out around here, would be that Lincoln was a Republican, while Democrats in the 1960s were heavily invested in civil rights.

Then the New Deal was implemented by conservatives?

If you scoot your mouse pointer up about juuuuuuuuust an inch above these words, you'll find some interesting links that will help explain for you how that happened.

Unfortunately, they don't answer the question. Nice try.

You stated that the conservatives were in the democratic party prior to the 1970s. Prior to the 1970s, the democratic party passed the New Deal legislation under FDR. If your premise is correct, then FDR was a conservative and the New Deal was passed by conservatives.

But we all know that is bullshit. You are blame shifting.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Then the New Deal was implemented by conservatives?

If you scoot your mouse pointer up about juuuuuuuuust an inch above these words, you'll find some interesting links that will help explain for you how that happened.

Unfortunately, they don't answer the question. Nice try.

You stated that the conservatives were in the democratic party prior to the 1970s. Prior to the 1970s, the democratic party passed the New Deal legislation under FDR. If your premise is correct, then FDR was a conservative and the New Deal was passed by conservatives.

But we all know that is bullshit. You are blame shifting.

Things Pulled Out Of DSL's Ass #1,001!

I stated no such thing. Anywhere. But do go on.... Unless you think Lincoln was President in the 1960s?

[Speaker to Animals]

If you scoot your mouse pointer up about juuuuuuuuust an inch above these words, you'll find some interesting links that will help explain for you how that happened.

Unfortunately, they don't answer the question. Nice try.

You stated that the conservatives were in the democratic party prior to the 1970s. Prior to the 1970s, the democratic party passed the New Deal legislation under FDR. If your premise is correct, then FDR was a conservative and the New Deal was passed by conservatives.

But we all know that is bullshit. You are blame shifting.

Things Pulled Out Of DSL's Ass #1,001!

I stated no such thing. Anywhere. But do go on.... Unless you think Lincoln was President in the 1960s?

That post was utterly incoherent.

You argue there existed no such thing as the New Deal?

[SuburbanFarmer]

Let's make this DSL-simple, then..

You stated that the conservatives were in the democratic party prior to the 1970s.r

No, I did not say that.

[LVH2]

Man this blew up since my blunder post. Only read last 3 pages. Sorry, I'm on the can for just a few minutes before work.

I wanted to say, comparing the Alt-Right to SJWs was an error, I think. SJWs=the religious right. Dogmatic to their bones. Intolerant. They believe that anybody who does not conform to their dogma is harming or oppressing them. Those who disagree with them have made a conscious choice to be on the side of pure evil (Satan, Nazism) Heretofore normal human behavior is actually grave moral wrongs. Etc.

The alt right is, as I said, more of a skeptical movement. But, people who are skeptical and "open minded" can also go off the rails and wind up believing crazy things pretty easily. The Alt-Right's counterpart on the left doesn't have a name, but if I had to pick someone, it would be Jello Biafra and the Dead Kennedys. Hilariously ridiculed Reaganism, the orthodoxy of the day, went after the right's sacred cows, etc. etc. But, that sort of detachment can lead you to taking up some crazy views, which he did. But, the good part is someone like that is never really wed to their views.

Obviously, these are very rough accounts of large groups of different people and don't apply perfectly.

Which leads to the folly of trying to create this dogma of a monolithic left, which is part of a more SJW/Religious right style of thinking. Like putting antitfa in the same bucket as the Dems. I think antifa is mostly anarchists. The Dems are believiers in big government, and also corporate stooges. These are very different things.

The Dems aren't really leftist at all, except, arguably on a few social issues. Depends on how you think the term leftist should be used. But I don't know how you can construe Hillary, a Wal-mart lawyer who favors mass incarceration and, like most Dems, operates mostly on behalf of corporations (except tobacco companies and a few others), and is a hawk who wants to toss Kissinger's salad, as a leftist.

The FDR dems were fairly leftist. Bernie is as well.

Anyway, a political party is just that. It's an affiliation of people trying to get elected. If they are from Mississippi in 1955, they might be super racist. If they are from SF in 2016 they will be very friendly to the rich and socially liberal. Oftentimes, they will be loyal to whoever gives them the most cash, which will vary with the laws. ATM, politicians can get speaking fees, seven figure fake jobs from those they were meant to regulate when they leave office, and of course their campaigns are mostly funded by big business. So, that's what we get.


Once you start up with these stories, it's easy to write. You find some bad actors. Rioters. Cops who kill unjustly or brutalize. You start lumping them all in with the bad team. You figure out some reasons the ones on your team were either justified, or exceptions to the rule. Anybody who can't see why you're good and they are bad must be incapable of reason. I mean, look at all the silly dogma they believe.