Does anyone on this forum actually care about Syria?

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Cultural preservation is total hogwash. Even if you could somehow trap culture in amber, and keep it pristine, who would want to? Nothing thrives in a cloister... adapt or die, it is the rule and always has been.

Western civilization has thrived precisely because it is open and adaptable, and as such, can survive what ever the backwards Islamist lunatics can dish out, and it can do so without tossing refugees in camps or whatever other cowardly proposal is on the table.

[clubgop]

Alright man. We'll play it your way. Mark my words this way lays doom.

I don't like it but maybe it's the only way.

No, it's not.

We have. Had several elections in different countries about it. Was rejected.

Yes it does. Especially for those that support it.

Nope, fuck that.

Churchill? That thing several countries rejected was precisely Churchill's vision of Europe:

Wasnt even talking about Brexit, but ok we can add that on too. Churchill's downfall was the vision thing. He was old, tired of fighting and he knew Europe was too, but time to wake up assholes. You're at war and you need ro fight back, save your countries so in 70 years your countrymen can dismantle your grandiose, hairbrained ideas.

[clubgop]

Nothing thrives in a cloister... adapt or die, it is the rule and always has been.

Maybe take your own advice and you might win some elections.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Nothing thrives in a cloister... adapt or die, it is the rule and always has been.

Maybe take your own advice and you might win some elections.

I have never voted for a Democrat in my life, doubt I ever will... but you are absolutely godamn right about that.

[ssu]

Seems like the US is really losing Turkey, and Turkey is moving to the Russia-Iran axis.

The US was not invited to a meeting held Tuesday in Moscow between Turkish, Russian, and Iranian officials aimed at solving the crisis in Syria — and it's not the first time Washington has been left out in the cold.

The US was also shut out of negotiations between Russian officials and Syrian rebel factions hosted by Turkish officials in Ankara earlier this month. Those talks ultimately led to a fragile cease-fire and evacuation deal in Syria's largest city, Aleppo, where fighting intensified in recent weeks.

See NATO's 2nd-largest military is 'bending' to Russia — and leaving the US out in the cold or see Turkey Is Now Acting Independently of the U.S. and NATO on Syria

Also, Turkish officers that have served in NATO headquarters and other positions outside Turkey are called back, and fired and even imprisoned. Seems that Erdogan has absolutely no trust in the US and the Western Alliance.

Since a failed coup in July, Turkey has recalled half of its military officers assigned to commands overseen by the North Atlantic Treaty Organization’s top commander, officials said Wednesday. U.S. Army Gen. Curtis Scaparrotti, NATO’s Supreme Allied Commander, Europe, said 150 of the 300 Turkish officers serving in several key military commands of the alliance had been summoned back to Turkey and about half have been replaced.

See Turkey’s Post-Coup Crackdown Includes Officers at NATO
Some have even looked for asylum as Erdogans purges go forward.

So the US is out of the loop.

Another victory for Putin? Assad sure is happy...

[TheReal_ND]

It's time for Putin to re annex Constantinople.

[Okeefenokee]

Obama really sucks at his job. Good job Democrats. Great legacy.

[ssu]

Obama really sucks at his job. Good job Democrats. Great legacy.

I have to agree that the US foreign policy is aimless now, even if it's the lame-duck period, and the position especially in the Middle East is... I don't know, being clueless around frustrated and disenchanted allies that simply go their own way (usually in different directions). If things go like this, the US will end up with having one ally in the Middle East: Israel. And then naturally it's Israel calling the shots.

Wonder what Trump will do with this trainwreck.

[Martin Hash]

Time for the EU to step up. Come on EU...

[Okeefenokee]

Time for the EU to step up. Come on EU...

Nah. UK should step up. They're probably best positioned to do it.