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I know, god forbid using a source you all won’t like. But in regards to the jury in the Manafort trial (Mind you he was a foreign operative prior to him running Trump’s campaign ( which is a no no under federal law). The jury had 4 important questions for the judge.
Jurors had four questions, some of which centered around defense arguments made by Manafort's lawyers.
Manafort faces 18 tax and bank fraud charges. Prosecutors say he hid millions of dollars from the IRS in overseas bank accounts, and then lied to banks to obtain multimillion dollar loans.
The jury's deliberations began just before 10 a.m. Thursday. They are expected to resume Friday at 9:30 a.m.
The jurors' questions suggest they are quickly diving into the weeds of the sometimes complex tax laws at issue in the case.
First, jurors asked if someone was required to file a form called an FBAR - which is required of people with foreign bank accounts containing more than $10,000 - if they owned less than 50 percent of such an account and did not have signature authority but did have the ability to direct disbursement.
At trial, Manafort's lawyers suggested their client might have believed he did not have to file such forms, because the companies in question were set up under his consulting firm. After 2011, he shared ownership of the firm equally with his wife. In response, the judge read to them again the legal instructions he had provided on that point Wednesday.
Second, jurors asked if the judge could define "shelf company" and the filing requirements related to income. Witnesses testified at Manafort's trial that he used so-called shelf companies - companies previously created by a lawyer in Cyprus that could be used to control the bank accounts in question - in order to move Manafort's money. To that question, the judge said the jury would have to rely on their memory of the evidence presented at trial.
Third, they asked if the judge could "redefine reasonable doubt." Jurors sometimes struggle with what constitutes a reasonable doubt of someone's guilt, versus an unreasonable doubt. The judge told them reasonable doubt "is a doubt based on reason," but added: "The government is not required to prove guilt beyond all possible doubt."
Defense attorneys emphasized in their closing argument that it's not enough to believe a defendant is "likely" guilty or even "highly likely" guilty, using a thermometer chart to make the point.
Fourth, the jurors asked if they could have an updated exhibit list, connecting each piece of evidence to the corresponding charge in the indictment. The judge said they would have to rely on their collective memory to link exhibits to specific charges.
Source Midland Daily News:
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So considering the tens of millions Manafort owes to the Ukrainian oligarch which might as well be Russian Oligarchs, another avenue for blackmail and corruption from a foreign power. And yet again I must reiterate this through all of your collective stone heads that prior to the RNC’s Cleveland convention which pontificated Herr Trump, Republicans were more Anti-Russia due to the annexation of the Crimea region. And all of a sudden a 180 like that? That’s the joy of being a computer Luddite on purpose. Less risk of being stupid on someone else’s dime. Serious Breitbart an f-ing savant? You just might as well buy stock into Alex Jones.
Jurors had four questions, some of which centered around defense arguments made by Manafort's lawyers.
Manafort faces 18 tax and bank fraud charges. Prosecutors say he hid millions of dollars from the IRS in overseas bank accounts, and then lied to banks to obtain multimillion dollar loans.
The jury's deliberations began just before 10 a.m. Thursday. They are expected to resume Friday at 9:30 a.m.
The jurors' questions suggest they are quickly diving into the weeds of the sometimes complex tax laws at issue in the case.
First, jurors asked if someone was required to file a form called an FBAR - which is required of people with foreign bank accounts containing more than $10,000 - if they owned less than 50 percent of such an account and did not have signature authority but did have the ability to direct disbursement.
At trial, Manafort's lawyers suggested their client might have believed he did not have to file such forms, because the companies in question were set up under his consulting firm. After 2011, he shared ownership of the firm equally with his wife. In response, the judge read to them again the legal instructions he had provided on that point Wednesday.
Second, jurors asked if the judge could define "shelf company" and the filing requirements related to income. Witnesses testified at Manafort's trial that he used so-called shelf companies - companies previously created by a lawyer in Cyprus that could be used to control the bank accounts in question - in order to move Manafort's money. To that question, the judge said the jury would have to rely on their memory of the evidence presented at trial.
Third, they asked if the judge could "redefine reasonable doubt." Jurors sometimes struggle with what constitutes a reasonable doubt of someone's guilt, versus an unreasonable doubt. The judge told them reasonable doubt "is a doubt based on reason," but added: "The government is not required to prove guilt beyond all possible doubt."
Defense attorneys emphasized in their closing argument that it's not enough to believe a defendant is "likely" guilty or even "highly likely" guilty, using a thermometer chart to make the point.
Fourth, the jurors asked if they could have an updated exhibit list, connecting each piece of evidence to the corresponding charge in the indictment. The judge said they would have to rely on their collective memory to link exhibits to specific charges.
Source Midland Daily News:
Our midland.com
So considering the tens of millions Manafort owes to the Ukrainian oligarch which might as well be Russian Oligarchs, another avenue for blackmail and corruption from a foreign power. And yet again I must reiterate this through all of your collective stone heads that prior to the RNC’s Cleveland convention which pontificated Herr Trump, Republicans were more Anti-Russia due to the annexation of the Crimea region. And all of a sudden a 180 like that? That’s the joy of being a computer Luddite on purpose. Less risk of being stupid on someone else’s dime. Serious Breitbart an f-ing savant? You just might as well buy stock into Alex Jones.
You high fiving MF’er
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I bet Harry didn't even read the court transcripts.
GrumpyCatFace wrote:Dumb slut partied too hard and woke up in a weird house. Ran out the door, weeping for her failed life choices, concerned townsfolk notes her appearance and alerted the fuzz.
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Clearly CNN is a Russian agent trying cause a mistrial then.
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That’s de officis wheelhouse not mine. But if I hazard a guess, this is pretty common fare in “celebrity” type of trials. Which has nothing to do with the 18 counts Manafort is facing. And mind you the grand jury had to sign off on this or they would be no trail. And remember Manafort violated the terms of his bail and house arrest.Okeefenokee wrote: ↑Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:58 pm
https://assets.documentcloud.org/docume ... Access.pdf
You all the internet geniuses. How about a little thought exercise. Find three rags of Leftist, mainstream, and your favorite news sites. Find the most common elements in the story that is factual w/o opinion. That’s the truth and everything else is white noise.
I’m no savant of the law, but Fife, de officis, and other old guard members I listen to.
For my soldiers in arms, it’s Smitty and Carlos where I shut up and listen.
And up to a couple of weeks ago, any soldier American or Canadian that was having issues with the VA or the Canadian health care system, I knew all of their medical legal rights and how to cut through the red tape.
So yeah, kind of not caring when type A people (95% of the board members are that, Dr Youth will confirm that as his “expertise”), telling a type B person what’s what, and the alleged truth.
Because in the end Michael Flynn was a foreign operative and had no business being anywhere near classified information. Our drunken idiot Papandopolus should have never been in talks with Eric Prince for head of Blackwater which is now called Xe. Eric Price has a relationship with Betsy DeVoss the current Secretary of Education. At it’s the same DeVoss’s that ran the Amway scam empire before they rebranded themselves.
As I said fellow Trump suckers, the day the Dems have the house and Senate means those chairmen and women will document dump,on Trumps so hard he have no other choice to pull a Nixon. Resigning before the impeachment firing squad. And if you don’t like my answer then it’s a “you problem” not a me.
You high fiving MF’er
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I prefer to be addressed as type alpha.
And, Harry, you are seriously delusional right now. DrY could confirm that too. Cognitive dissonance can be a bitch.
And, Harry, you are seriously delusional right now. DrY could confirm that too. Cognitive dissonance can be a bitch.
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Wow, that's some serious CNN derangement going on.
Flynn was a foreign agent.
What the fuck.
Flynn was a foreign agent.
What the fuck.
GrumpyCatFace wrote:Dumb slut partied too hard and woke up in a weird house. Ran out the door, weeping for her failed life choices, concerned townsfolk notes her appearance and alerted the fuzz.
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Trump is going out like Nixon any day now. Pass the koolaide.
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Harry seems to be just as far gone as ooky.
GrumpyCatFace wrote:Dumb slut partied too hard and woke up in a weird house. Ran out the door, weeping for her failed life choices, concerned townsfolk notes her appearance and alerted the fuzz.
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More so. Did you read that last post?
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Harry, if you want to be taken seriously, you're gonna have to stop running from your allegations after they're proven false.
GrumpyCatFace wrote:Dumb slut partied too hard and woke up in a weird house. Ran out the door, weeping for her failed life choices, concerned townsfolk notes her appearance and alerted the fuzz.
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