THE ERA OF TRUMP

[Smitty-48]

The funny thing is, Donald Trump and Michael Flynn have simply taken up the torch which Barack Obama lit, which is that, according to Barack Obama; "Russia is a regional power which is not America's principle threat, America's principle threat is Islamic Terrorists", and so Donald Trump and Michael Flynn are now executing the mandate, by seeking common ground with the Russians in order to leverage them as an ally of convenience against the principle threat which Barack Obama himself invoked.

Why would all these avid Barack Obama supporters suddenly do a one-eighty and declare Barack Obama's stated position to be tantamount to treason, simply because it is being executed by Donald Trump and Michael Flynn?

[Okeefenokee]

because there's no rhyme or reason to any of this.

We're simply maneuvering for strategic positions. A hill's a hill. Any hill will do.

[StCapps]

Why would all these avid Barack Obama supporters suddenly do a one-eighty and declare Barack Obama's stated position to be tantamount to treason, simply because it is being executed by Donald Trump and Michael Flynn?

That's what partisan hack bitches do, hypocritically change their positions to support their team.

[Smitty-48]

Donald Trump's position seems to have both rhyme and reason to it; let's not confront the Russians where it is not necessary, let's leverage them as allies of convenience against our common non-state foes, if we need to deal with the Russians as a threat, the best way to do that is actually to build up the US military to prevent them from ever being in a position to mess with us, under the watch of the Eagle with Thunderbolts in Talons Grasped.

[Okeefenokee]

Donald Trump's position seems to have both rhyme and reason to it; let's not confront the Russians where it is not necessary, let's leverage them as allies of convenience against our common non-state foes, if we need to deal with the Russians as a threat, the best way to do that is actually to build up the US military to prevent them from ever being in a position to mess with us, under the watch of the Eagle with Thunderbolts in Talons Grasped.

I know. I meant the supporters.

[Speaker to Animals]

We should align and take over the world.

[ssu]

(and according to the to reports they also hacked the RNC but didn't release any info to Wikileaks)

Show me this report. I am unaware of any.

That's the actual CIA report on the subject, that tells that the Republicans were hacked too and nothing was published... and they got this conclusion.

You always got it wrong and referred to the CIA report, when I (and others) were referring to the FBI/Homeland Security report and then the publisized report By the Director of National Intelligence.

[Smitty-48]

(and according to the to reports they also hacked the RNC but didn't release any info to Wikileaks)

Show me this report. I am unaware of any.

That's the actual CIA report on the subject, that tells that the Republicans were hacked too and nothing was published... and they got this conclusion.

You always got it wrong and referred to the CIA report, when I (and others) were referring to the FBI/Homeland Security report and then the publisized report By the Director of National Intelligence.

Show us where said reports contain any actual evidence at all? The reports are just de facto power point presentations with no actual evidence contained therein. The reports are blatantly circular; it was the Russians because they say it was the Russians; bullshit.

Moreover, all these agencies issuing these circularly reasoned reports have deep conflicts of interests which makes them entirely suspect as being totally and utterly full of shit.

[TheReal_ND]

(and according to the to reports they also hacked the RNC but didn't release any info to Wikileaks)

Show me this report. I am unaware of any.

That's the actual CIA report on the subject, that tells that the Republicans were hacked too and nothing was published... and they got this conclusion.

You always got it wrong and referred to the CIA report, when I (and others) were referring to the FBI/Homeland Security report and then the publisized report By the Director of National Intelligence.

Show me.

[ssu]

A year ago the Democrats were all pro-Russia compared to the GOP, even laughing at Romney in 2012 for claiming they were a bigger threat to the US than radical islamic terrorism. But now the Demohacks claim that Russia is all of a sudden the great boogeyman and Romney was right! Hypocrisy works both ways on this one Penner.

Definately so pro-Russia after Crimea was invaded. But yes, before truly it was so that the Republicans were the hawks in Washington. But that was before Trump, you know.

And who changed the GOP's hawkish status against Russia? This happened on March of last year:

The Trump campaign went out of its way to dramatically alter the Republican Party’s official position on Ukraine—against the wishes of GOP hawks and despite senior Trump aide Paul Manafort’s insistence that they weren’t involved. The move, first reported by The Washington Post, alienated Republicans who have made up the party’s foreign policy base for decades, and indicates that the Trump campaign has a particular interest in Ukraine, where Manafort had previously worked for a pro-Putin leader.

Manafort said on NBC’s Meet the Press this past weekend that the change in language on Ukraine “absolutely did not come from the Trump campaign.” But this account is contradicted by four sources in the room, both for and against the language. Eric Brakey, a Maine delegate who identifies as a non-interventionist, said he supported the change, which was pushed in part by the Trump campaign.

Some staff from the Trump campaign came in and… came back with some language that softened the platform,” Brakey told The Daily Beast. “They didn’t intervene in the platform in most cases. But in that case they had some wisdom to say that maybe we don’t want to be calling… for very, very clear aggressive acts of war against Russia. “They substantively changed it,” added Washington, D.C., delegate Rachel Hoff, who was present during the meeting. “It absolutely was my understanding that it was Trump staff.” According to two Republican delegates, the Trump campaign’s efforts were led in part by J.D. Gordon, a Trump campaign official and a former spokesman at the Pentagon.
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Anyway, this mess isn't going to go away:

Senate Intelligence Committee leaders announced late Friday that they would look into allegations of links between Russia and the 2016 political campaigns as part of a broader review of the intelligence community’s report on Russian hacking.