THE ERA OF TRUMP

[Smitty-48]

Getting old Smitty?

Yeah, so?

Soviet Union, remember, Ronald Reagan and the evil empire?

Yes, and I also remember that when the Soviets moderated their position, Reagan was eager to make peace with them, Reagan's principle issue with them was that they were Communists, inciting One World Socialist Revolution, and maintaining an Iron Curtain with one billion people being held in bondage unable to cross to the West, but that is not the case anymore, that is not Russia now, and I dare say that if President Reagan could get along swimingly with a dyed in the wool Bolshevik like Mikhail Gorbachev, he would certainly be able to do business with Vladimir Putin.

Vladimir Putin's positions on things and Ronald Reagan's positions on things, are not actually all that different, and certainly not diametrically opposed.

To wit, the Americans had Détente with the Evil Empire at the height of the Cold War, but they could never have Détente with the Russians now? Nonsense.

[Penner]

Right but that doesn't mean those Palestinians are correct in their assessment of Russia's influence on the US.

Umm.... I did say it was funny.

You guys are so defensive.

Since Trump's election has been called into question by the DNC hacking email scandal and who was responsible- the media here have been accusing Russia of hacking the DNC (and according to the to reports they also hacked the RNC but didn't release any info to Wikileaks) because they wanted Trump to win the presidency (which he did). People who supported Trump (and not through political affiliation either but the 30 some % that truly support him and not because he has an R after his name) have no become Russia's greatest ally here in the US. I mean people here are now gun hoe about how great Russia is and why we aren't friends with them (just look at nuke's posts) is crazy. Roughly a year ago these same people were accusing Obama on being soft with Russia and now they are praising Putin.

[StCapps]

A year ago the Democrats were all pro-Russia compared to the GOP, even laughing at Romney in 2012 for claiming they were a bigger threat to the US than radical islamic terrorism. But now the Demohacks claim that Russia is all of a sudden the great boogeyman and Romney was right! Hypocrisy works both ways on this one Penner.

[Penner]

A year ago the Democrats were all pro-Russia compared to the GOP and now they claim they are the great boogeyman. Hypocrisy works both ways on this one Penner.

Oh, that's so bullshit. I mean a year ago many conservatives were either saying that Obama is going to trigger WWIII and/or was too soft on Russia over Crimea, the Ukraine, Russian aggression in the Baltics, etc...

[Smitty-48]

The American people rejected Mitt Romney's assertion that Russia was a dire threat, the American people then rejected the Democrats assertion that Donald Trump was a pawn of the Russians, the American people have spoken on Russia, twice, and apparently, the American people just ain't all that concerned about Russia, Smitty LeMay is not dictator, the Eagle with Thunderbolts in Talons Grasped stands ever ready, but only at the ready for the American people, it is not for Smitty LeMay and associated Eagle with Thunderbolts in Talons Grasped, to tell the American people who their enemies are, quite the opposite in fact.

[StCapps]

A year ago the Democrats were all pro-Russia compared to the GOP and now they claim they are the great boogeyman. Hypocrisy works both ways on this one Penner.

Oh, that's so bullshit. I mean a year ago many conservatives were either saying that Obama is going to trigger WWIII and/or was too soft on Russia over Crimea, the Ukraine, Russian aggression in the Baltics, etc...

So that doesn't mean that Democrats didn't flip their position on the issue just as hard because the Democrates were the soft on Russia party, now they claim the GOP is and they are the anti-Russian hawks. The GOP used to be all anti-Russia and then Trump came along, the parties have both flipped positions. That is not bullshit, it is manifestly true and claiming only one party is at fault for this is the move of a partisan hack with the memory of a goldfish.

[Smitty-48]

Trump simply came in as the Outsider, and cannily assesed the American people's collective will about Russia, putting the GOP Russia Hawks and Democrat Russia Doves both in their place, with a Third Way position; confrontation if necessary but not necessarily confrontation FTW.

[StCapps]

Trump simply came in as the Outsider, and cannily assesed the American people's collective will about Russia, putting the GOP Russia Hawks and Democrat Russia Doves both in their place, with a Third Way position; confrontation if necessary but not necessarily confrontation FTW.

At least someone was paying attention. Penner apparently only listened to MSM propaganda and thus only heard things from the Demohacks perspective, hence her faulty assumption that Republicans were the only hypocrites flipping position on this issue to score political points by supporting or opposing Trump.

[Smitty-48]

Trump simply came in as the Outsider, and cannily assesed the American people's collective will about Russia, putting the GOP Russia Hawks and Democrat Russia Doves both in their place, with a Third Way position; confrontation if necessary but not necessarily confrontation FTW.

At least someone was paying attention. Penner apparently only listened to MSM propaganda and thus only heard things from the Demohacks perspective, hence her faulty assumption that Republicans were the only hypocrites flipping position on this issue to score political points by supporting or opposing Trump.

Barack Obama, with only a week left in office, is attempting to incite the Russians by deploying a Heavy Brigade Combat Team just across the border from Kaliningrad, deploying forces en masse to Poland for the first time ever, did the American people vote to do that? Did Barack Obama run on that? What is Hopey Changey about that?

Why is Barack Obama trying to whip up a confrontation with the Russians now, just as his mandate is at an end, when he had eight years to confront the Russians, and never did much of anything about them?

Why wouldn't Donald Trump be wary of this attempt to box him into a confrontation with the Russians before he has ever had a chance to take the oath of office and assess the situation for himself from the West Wing? I think he should be; good on you, Donald Trump, well played.

[TheReal_ND]

(and according to the to reports they also hacked the RNC but didn't release any info to Wikileaks)

Show me this report. I am unaware of any.