Oregon: Pump Your Own Gas Crisis

[MilSpecs]

You can't even pump your own gas in Georgia. Best move to Oregon. They just legalized it.

Seriously, stay away from Georgia.

They might be happier to see us than you. We bring money and a charming character that people from other regions seem to enjoy. The accent makes women throw themselves at my husband - incentive to push him towards a southern retirement.

[Okeefenokee]

You can't even pump your own gas in Georgia. Best move to Oregon. They just legalized it.

Seriously, stay away from Georgia.

They might be happier to see us than you. We bring money and a charming character that people from other regions seem to enjoy. The accent makes women throw themselves at my husband - incentive to push him towards a southern retirement.

Libshit yankee gonna lose her husband to a GRITS.

Sorry, not sorry, no southern men interested in yankee women.

[BjornP]

I'm not so sure the free market would see fit to employ gas jockeys either. I mean some people may find it an amusing novelty and likely subsidize this much in the same manner people subsidize the Zoo by watching monkeys at the exhibit, but realistically the market cap for pump jockeys must be low on the free market methinks.

Im not arguing for a free market solution, just the validity of the solution we have chosen.

The validity of your right to choose which ways to govern yourselves is not in question. Or should not, anyway. Ignore for a second wether or not you or anyone else in your state considers pumping your own gas food or bad. So...

Why is your valid argument for why your fellow state citizens ought not be allowed to pump their own gas, if they haven't the same qualms about it as you do?

[JohnDonne]

I'm not so sure the free market would see fit to employ gas jockeys either. I mean some people may find it an amusing novelty and likely subsidize this much in the same manner people subsidize the Zoo by watching monkeys at the exhibit, but realistically the market cap for pump jockeys must be low on the free market methinks.

Im not arguing for a free market solution, just the validity of the solution we have chosen.

The validity of your right to choose which ways to govern yourselves is not in question. Or should not, anyway. Ignore for a second wether or not you or anyone else in your state considers pumping your own gas food or bad. So...

Why is your valid argument for why your fellow state citizens ought not be allowed to pump their own gas, if they haven't the same qualms about it as you do?

As has been said before, requiring trained attendants to pump gas creates many jobs. If it hadn’t been required we would be like all the other self-service states and those jobs wouldn’t exist. It’s a calculated trade off, we don’t pump our own gas, others get paid to do it, everybody wins. That a hypothetical person is denied the dubious privilege to pump their own gas is simply a tragic casualty in the grand scheme of things.

[K@th]

How much do you pay the seamstress to make your pants & shirts?

How much do you pay the milk man to bring you your milk?

[JohnDonne]

How much do you pay the seamstress to make your pants & shirts?

How much do you pay the milk man to bring you your milk?

So your ideology won’t allow you to consider possible solutions to unemployment and that’s supposed to mean something to me?

[K@th]

So your ideology won’t allow you to consider possible solutions to unemployment and that’s supposed to mean something to me?

Sorry I wasn't clear. I am certainly within my rights to hire someone to swim for me, pump my gas for me, cook for me, clean my house for me.... on the other hand, I can do all those things myself.

Can you? Can you without adult training?

Lol

[BjornP]

Im not arguing for a free market solution, just the validity of the solution we have chosen.

The validity of your right to choose which ways to govern yourselves is not in question. Or should not, anyway. Ignore for a second wether or not you or anyone else in your state considers pumping your own gas food or bad. So...

Why is your valid argument for why your fellow state citizens ought not be allowed to pump their own gas, if they haven't the same qualms about it as you do?

As has been said before, requiring trained attendants to pump gas creates many jobs. If it hadn’t been required we would be like all the other self-service states and those jobs wouldn’t exist. It’s a calculated trade off, we don’t pump our own gas, others get paid to do it, everybody wins. That a hypothetical person is denied the dubious privilege to pump their own gas is simply a tragic casualty in the grand scheme of things.

If most Oregonians already prefer not pumping their own gas, simply out of custom if nothing else, you're not going to lose that many jobs since demand will still exist. Also, presumebly you drive a car. A car assembled primarily by robots. Robotics and automation in general, is already killing jobs in industrial manufacturing worldwide.

Would you also argue that manufacturing jobs that these days are threatened, and will become increasingly threatened, by automation need to be protected from further automation? Do you, in other words, believe that the best solution to preserving jobs is to become neo-Luddites, or rather that the best way to preserve jobs might, could, or maybe even should be, about investing in upgrading the skillsets and educational levels of those whose jobs face becoming obsolute?

In terms of helping those who work pumping gas stay in job market, it really does not seem much of a benefit to them long-term. Sure, you get to sit in your car while they pour gas, but if you wanted to help people get jobs and meant it, you would do better to finance your unemployed in getting educations and relevant up-to-date certifications, instead.

[JohnDonne]

So your ideology won’t allow you to consider possible solutions to unemployment and that’s supposed to mean something to me?

Sorry I wasn't clear. I am certainly within my rights to hire someone to swim for me, pump my gas for me, cook for me, clean my house for me.... on the other hand, I can do all those things myself.

Can you? Can you without adult training?

Lol

So even when I’m forced to imagine your arguments for you, you confirm ones suspicion that you had no point at all. Lulz, don’t pass out drunk on your keyboard lady.

[JohnDonne]

The validity of your right to choose which ways to govern yourselves is not in question. Or should not, anyway. Ignore for a second wether or not you or anyone else in your state considers pumping your own gas food or bad. So...

Why is your valid argument for why your fellow state citizens ought not be allowed to pump their own gas, if they haven't the same qualms about it as you do?

As has been said before, requiring trained attendants to pump gas creates many jobs. If it hadn’t been required we would be like all the other self-service states and those jobs wouldn’t exist. It’s a calculated trade off, we don’t pump our own gas, others get paid to do it, everybody wins. That a hypothetical person is denied the dubious privilege to pump their own gas is simply a tragic casualty in the grand scheme of things.

If most Oregonians already prefer not pumping their own gas, simply out of custom if nothing else, you're not going to lose that many jobs since demand will still exist. Also, presumebly you drive a car. A car assembled primarily by robots. Robotics and automation in general, is already killing jobs in industrial manufacturing worldwide.

Would you also argue that manufacturing jobs that these days are threatened, and will become increasingly threatened, by automation need to be protected from further automation? Do you, in other words, believe that the best solution to preserving jobs is to become neo-Luddites, or rather that the best way to preserve jobs might, could, or maybe even should be, about investing in upgrading the skillsets and educational levels of those whose jobs face becoming obsolute?

In terms of helping those who work pumping gas stay in job market, it really does not seem much of a benefit to them long-term. Sure, you get to sit in your car while they pour gas, but if you wanted to help people get jobs and meant it, you would do better to finance your unemployed in getting educations and relevant up-to-date certifications, instead.

In response to your first paragraph, we would not have the job preserving custom had the law not existed for so long in the first place. But I honestly think using attendants will die out relatively quickly now that self service is legal simply because gas stations don't want to pay employees and they know there are plenty of customers anyway.

I do not buy that it is an either/or scenario. One can be both for investing in and upgrading the skills of the menial laborer and holding off the inevitable onslaught of automation as long as possible to allow a smoother transition of those workers from unskilled to skilled. Yes I would rather our economy be based on skilled labor than neo-ludditism, but in the very possible event that society decides not to invest in these programs, or they are not sufficient, I would prefer seeing make-work to mass unemployment. I understand this defies the free-market principle but I don't care about any of that.

And I actually do think there is a world of difference between a menial low paying job and no job. If you ask the people that would otherwise be unemployed they will tell you the same.