Medicare For All: See Your Future

[brewster]

The rolling out and eventual dominance of the HMO really started to fuck shit up for the common man.

I think the problem happened earlier than that. While Europe went full socialized medicine while we were paying for the defense of the free world, US companies started providing health insurance to their employees. This allowed the whole system to get out of the true free market and end-users never saw what they were actually paying until it was too late. And now, here we are.

Actually it originated in anti-inflation wage controls during the war. Companies were prevented from competing for workers with wages so they started adding in bennies like healthcare. What the modern gen of American Leftists don't understand is how to guide markets with taxation rather than dictum. Rent & wage controls ALWAYS fuck things up. There was a great article in the Times the other day about how Sweden actually is very market and wealth friendly even as it has a socialist safety net.

How to Think About Taxing and Spending Like a Swede
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/07/opin ... ule=inline

[TheReal_ND]

You're all fooling yourselves. We already have Medicare for all foreign nationals. The only people not receiving Medicare for all are the people just above the line. The working American poor. We have universal health care, you just aren't part of it.

Oh, and prepare to fucking pay working American poor.

[Speaker to Animals]

The thing lots of people don't get is the principle of subsidiarity. This states that we ought to deal with shit at the most local level possible. Most of the garbage we are doing at the federal level should be, at best, handled at the state level or probably even lower. The culture war stuff is all an artifact of having a federal government instead of just a confederal government that handles defense, foreign policy, and a few other things that only make sense at that level.

The question at hand is whether health care truly belongs at the federal policy level. I would argue, yes it does. It's one of the few problems that really does not resolve well as you get down to more local levels.

But the can of worms inherent in that is the absolute power that we hand the federal government when we give them control over our very lives in this way. That's dangerous as hell.

There are no easy answers to this problem. I think obviously saying fuck it let the "free market" solve it is not going to solve a damned thing. Nor is saying let the government manage everything, what could possibly go wrong, going to convince too many people outside the progressive crowd.

We have to be honest about the poverty of many of the knee-jerk reactions people fall back on.

[Speaker to Animals]

My only suggestion here is that we lost something important to our civilization when we allowed the state to seize control of the Church. It's not so much that we need a Church to handle health care like we did in the medieval period, but that the separation of Church and state sorted these issues out organically, as best they could manage given the times and poor development of the world.

Maybe we just need to stop thinking of government as this holistic solution to our problems, and to re-conceive of some kind of social structure to deal with these kinds of social and humanitarian problems that is not the secular government.

[TheReal_ND]

I think you have to be honest about the fact we are getting ass fucked. If we weren't, our government would find a way. This whole medical industry catastrophe is a guided missle right at the middle class. Learn to love the bull fucking your ass or don't. I don't care. You aren't voting your way out of this lmao

[Speaker to Animals]

I think you have to be honest about the fact we are getting ass fucked. If we weren't, our government would find a way. This whole medical industry catastrophe is a guided missle right at the middle class. Learn to love the bull fucking your ass or don't. I don't care. You aren't voting your way out of this lmao

Yeah, I don't see any way out except for getting your own ass out of the corporate-government system somehow.

[Fife]

Its It's almost as if some type of voluntary arrangement would be more moral than getting gang-raped by the sickos in federal city.

[TheReal_ND]

Its It's almost as if some type of voluntary arrangement would be more moral than getting gang-raped by the sickos in federal city.

+1 for Christianiaty and family.

[GloryofGreece]

You're all fooling yourselves. We already have Medicare for all foreign nationals. The only people not receiving Medicare for all are the people just above the line. The working American poor. We have universal health care, you just aren't part of it.

Oh, and prepare to fucking pay working American poor.

I gross about 3.3K a month. If 1/3rd wasn't deducted for taxes I'd be very happy financially. A las that isn't so.

[Smitty-48]

You're all fooling yourselves. We already have Medicare for all foreign nationals. The only people not receiving Medicare for all are the people just above the line. The working American poor. We have universal health care, you just aren't part of it.

Oh, and prepare to fucking pay working American poor.

I gross about 3.3K a month. If 1/3rd wasn't deducted for taxes I'd be very happy financially. A las that isn't so.

You're making slightly too much. Would seem that you are just above the threshold of the 38K bracket which jumps you from a 12% effective tax rate to a 22% effective tax rate. If you can't make much more, perhaps you should make slightly less, for tax purposes.

$38,700 to $38,701 is the biggest jump of all the brackets, you need to get out of there, one way, or the other.